OK, Robert, what ARE the figures ? And yes, there is some vague relationship between the prevalence of violence of men against women relative to the violence of women against men - ten times as much ? 5.2 times as much ? 1.02 times as much ? Just as much ? More than ?

Sorry, I'm not in the right company: I have a notion that women cop more domestic violence than men. So sorry, wrong page. I'll leave it to you right-wingers who want to whinge about the rights of men in a woman-dominated age. Bunch of winkers.

Joe

thanks RObert, i need all the help i can get. i'm currently doing a DV course but need as much info as possible. any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

cheers
tina

Tina, whilst the tone of the site and some of the material is too strident and possibly lacking in balance some of the material in the Radar site is good. http://www.mediaradar.org/research.php#waj

Check the material I posted at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=7309#112339

You should take note of SJF's concerns about the methodology involved used in the CTS based research ( http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=7309#112344 ) but also read the material I referenced from Straus discussing the criticisms which have been raised about CTS.

You could also consider how much effort goes into the alternative research to try and eliminate bias. My impression is that they often deliberately build in bias based on beliefs about gender power issues.

I don't think SJF's concerns are valid especially when compared to the alternate research but thats a viewpoint and others disagree.

There is some summary info at http://www.safe4all.org/essays/2page.html - advocay based but it seems good for coverage of the other side of the story.

There is some great material at The National Child Protection Clearinghouse http://www.aifs.gov.au/nch/pubs/reports/reports.html although I don't always agree with the added in comments.

Also some horrid but useful material at The NSW Child Death Review Team site http://www.kids.nsw.gov.au/kids/resources/publications/childdeathreview.cfm

In particular http://www.kids.nsw.gov.au/uploads/documents/CDRT_annual_2007.pdf and in relation to the male/female risk to children issue (a spin off from this topic) see the page labeled P51 "Victim-perpetrator relationship"

There is an article I came across which I found interetsting but have not really followed up on "Child Sexual Abuse, Real and Unreal"
http://quadrant.org.au/php/article_view.php?article_id=315 - I've got no basis for judging the reliability of the material but it is probably worth a read.

There is a Selected Bibliography on DV at http://www.mincava.umn.edu/documents/bibs/bibgen/bibgen.html

An Overview of Child Abuse Protection in Australia at http://www.aph.gov.au/library/intguide/SP/Child_Abuse.htm

I've not seen anything I considered worthwhile about rates of non physical DV and the harm caused.

I hope that helps. Please make your own judgments about the material, some I have a high level of confidence in, others I disagree with parts and others I have no means to judge.

R0bert

Joe, the figures will depend on who you believe. If you look at the material I posted earlier it ranged from Qld Healths claims

"DOMESTIC VIOLENCE is the physical, sexual, emotional or psychological abuse of trust and power between partners in a spousal relationship.

Most (85% to 98%) domestic violence is perpetrated by men against women." I assume that the percentage they quote is based on the idea that it's all about power and as some assume most of the power lies with men then it's difficult for women to abuse it hence when women physical, sexual, emotional or psychological abuse a male partner it's not DV.

I've not seen any papers that I considered worthwhile on the prevelance of non physical DV.

In regard to the physical abuse my impression is that the material which does not rely on assumptions about power the numbers are similar with most showing women initiating physical assaults slightly more often.

In regard to serious injury most of the material I've seen suggests that it's hard to get reliable figures but something like women getting serious physical injuries from DV at about twice the rate that men do.

I don't recall the rates on death from DV, my impression is that it is rare and generally associated with other factors such as marriage breakup with women accounting for a significantly greater number of the victims than men.

Tina, it's probably worth taking the effort to familiarise yourself with the arguments. If you start supporting male victims you are likely to cop flack. It can get nasty.

The main objector to CTS that I've paid attention is Michael Flood. A search on the web for his name combined with CTS will yield a range of material. He used to post on OLO http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/user.asp?id=7830 Some of his material is covered at http://www.aija.org.au/fv06/Presentations/Flood%20-%20Men%20v%20Women%20ppt.ppt#6

I did find an encouraging comment which I think was by him in an article at http://www.europrofem.org/contri/2_04_en/en-viol/08en_vio.htm where he says

The word limit stops me quoting but its the second last paragraph.

R0bert

Robert,

I really don't know what planet you are on. In the Australian today (or you don't believe that fascist, colonialist, racist Murdoch rag?) a survey from two highly reputable SA universities found that women were far more likely to suffer domestic violence than men (any surprises there ?), that violence amongst Indigenous people was vastly worse than amongst non-Indigenous people, that rural and remote people, male and female, Indigenous and non-Indigenous, suffered up to seven times as much DV as urban people.

Lat week in the Australian, it was pointed out in one article that the annual murder rate across Australia was about 1.3 per 100,000, or one in 77,000. Amongst Indigenous women in the north-west of SA, and nearby areas in WA and the NT, the rate (five killed in one year out of 3,000 females of all ages) was one in six hundred, 128 times as much. Indigenous men were also about ten times more likely to die violently than non-Indigenous men, i.e. Indigenous women were about 12.8 times as likely to die from violence as Indigenous men, and Indigenous people generally were vastly more likely to die from violent causes than non-Indigenous people.

Over the last three years, almost all women murdered in the Northern Territory have been Indigenous, and their murderers have been Indigenous men. I don't think a single Indigenous man has been murdered over the last three years by an Indigenous woman in the Northern Territory.

Do you want to keep pushing this bullshot that there is some sort of equity in DV and in violent death between women and men ?

Oh, sorry, I keep forgetting - women and Indigenous people don't feel pain like non-Indigenous men. That's why we have to be so mindful of the feelings of men, especially non-Indigenous men.

Joe

Joe - having read a number of R0bert's posts, I've never seen anywhere where he's indicated equity in violent deaths. In fact, he states:

"women accounting for a significantly greater number of the victims than men."

Frankly, I tend to agree with you that DV, by and large, is men injuring women.
I say that not because of the minor incidents, but because the major injuries and deaths, tend to be the fault of men.
I ain't one of those people who tend to think women are just as guilty - in fact, many of the more heated debates I've had here on OLO are directed toward misogynists who pretend their issues are just with feminism (I don't have an issue with genuine criticism of feminism either, but there are some instances where it's quite easy to demonstrate that they are indeed just embittered types with an axe to grind against women). I can provide links if need be.

Though I don't think R0bert's posts are indicative of this mindset. I accept R0bert he has a point, in that some instances of DV at the hands of females must occur.
I dunno how accurate most of these surveys are, and I doubt it's anywhere near an even frequency, but I've no doubt it happens, and when it does, I suspect men are without any kind of outlet, because they're not treated seriously, or are treated with scorn or suspicion.
I can only imagine how powerless it must make a man feel if they're put in that position - not only suffering DV, but also dealing with the stigma of being in that situation and knowing nobody really gives a damn.

Though I must admit, I do find it hard to envision, but intellectually I guess I can accept that by sheer weight of numbers, it must happen.