Its only a matter of time--cont'd

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of “Dar-es-Salaam” — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
“Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world. And all of us against the infidel. — Leon Uris, “The Haj”…

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat”

By Hugh Fitzgerald

CJ Morgan, When you say “No” to my question above, what are you saying No to? Are you saying Islam is safe? It’s not aggressive (but just plays hard-ball defence)? Or, are you saying it’s not aggressive in Australia just yet? Or something different.

Would you agree with this proposition:

<In view of the global experience with Islam, and assuming that Australian Islam cannot be guaranteed to remain immune from the worst aspects of Islam indefinitely, it makes sense to be cautious about the possibility of a virulent, aggressive, imperialistic strain of Islam occurring in Australia.>

Do you think there’s no threat, or that there is but some of us are overreacting to it?

If the former, you’re up against a great deal of evidence, aren’t you?

If the latter, then okay maybe we should all calm down a bit, but what kind of precautions would you consider appropriate?

Pax,

goodthief, what I'd agree to is this slight amendment of your proposition:

"In view of the global experience with religions, and assuming that Australian religions cannot be guaranteed to remain immune from the worst aspects of religions indefinitely, it makes sense to be cautious about the possibility of a virulent, aggressive, imperialistic strain of religions occurring in Australia."

While that may seem trite, I think that our society is in danger of being recaptured by religious fundamentalism in general, by stealth. The supposed threat of Islam to Australian culture and society is minuscule compared to the insidious Christianisation of traditionally secular spheres, such as education.

Our education system has been compromised in recent years by inequitable funding of religious schools and the placement of chaplains in public schools, while our elected governments are increasingly captive to the projects of e.g. the NSW Catholic Right, the Australian Christian Lobby etc. Under such conditions, there is no way that the minority religion of Islam can be singled out as any worse than the overtly political and competitive agendas of organised Christian fundamentalism.

The best way we can be vigilant about such threats is to engage consciously in a program of 'resecularisation' of our institutions, such that the practce of one's religion is relegated to the private sphere where it belongs. Australia should regain its place as an avowedly secular and egalitarian bastion of democracy and rationality.

Then the Islamists wouldn't have a prayer, so to speak.

[P.S. Pericles - I see that Boazy has departed this thread and is throwing rocks at us in others, as he usually does when his mendacity is pointed out]

BB - Part One

Sharing the Blame as the Means for World Peace

The above is most often quoted by academic historians who sense today’s problems in particular, as balanced between mainly the Christian West and an Islamic non-west, Jewish Israel being favoured in the West rather than in the East.

The triggers of war right now, are thus very different than the problems causing both WW1 and WW2 which were both virtually backed by an elitist thrust for power from a Germany which had missed out on Western elitism and colonialism, Bismark’s Germany being just a late-comer into the 18th and 19th centuries.

Japan too was late hitting its colonial straps, no doubt careful ly and jealously regarding colonial Britain and a fast-growing United States as the extenders of a 19th century colonial expansion thereon, English-speaking America now virtually on the same colonial trail, urged on round the White House by Jewish-related Neo-Cons and a reborn Israel, backing an already Pax Americana as imperialist inheritor of our 21st century and beyond.

Obviously because the Islamic world is capable of insightly thinking the same as the Christian West, an academic saying that the Arabs, including the former Persians, did not come down in the last shower, is very apt, and it is obvious that when today’s Pope talks about a Christian Quest for Peace, he takes all the above into consideration.

Let us hope also, that like a genuine historian, the Pope is learned enough to take all of history into consideration, especially the growth of Scientific Reasoning, just as one of our OLO contributors has mentioned, that most of our Christian leaders who have gained Sainthoods, such as St Augustine and St Thomas Aquinas, have also been regarded as worldly historical philosophers who used reason to balance faith

BB - Part Two

We might also hope that the present Pope might agree, probably not so much in a Sermon, that the majority of problems in the Middle East today, have been caused by historical faults from both sides, Western colonialism being possibly the major contributor, Mubarek of Egypt’s belief that Western intrusion and injustice has been the biggest problem in the Middle East since WW1 not helping our Western position.

But then again, the grisly style of terrorism that the Islamics are using in what might be called a justifiable fightback, has caused most of us Westerners to regard them as inhuman.

Of course, suicide bombing is not only confined to Islamics, in fact, the record considering population, is still much held by the Tamil Tigers in Sri-Lanka, and our Irish relatives were not light-hearted about such horrible tactics neither.

So let us so-called honest whites put ourselves in the same position as families fighting against what they term injustices, especially right now as in Israel where crudish Arab rocket bombing is illegal, while Israel has the means to totally crush the Palestine Arabs any time allowed, especially with the most modern nuclear weaponry.

Only hope our Pope does look at things this way, and that his quest for peace, does include an admittance from both warring sides about Sharing the Blames of the Past in a Quest for Peace as a possible answer for what Immanuel Kant wanted when he wrote about a Perpetual Peace held by means of a Federation of Libertinian Nations.

Best Wishes for Easter

Rache,

You are really struggling here and it is becoming clearer that this is not an area you spend a lot of time on.

Let me respond to the utter rubbish you have linked.

1. The photo of Reagan posted by the Political Inquirer has no link to its origin. In fact they labelled the photo “Ronald Reagan meets with AlQaeda/Taliban/Mujahideen”, as if there was no difference between those three organisations. For all any of us know this could be a meeting with Ahmed Shah Masoud’s people, likely, in fact because there is a woman present. Masoud and his army have been allies of the US for nearly 30 years. We fought alongside them to retake Kabul in 2001, if you were paying attention.

2. you send me a link to a post by BIG_GAV on peak energy.com as if that was evidence of anything. If there is a point within those ramblings maybe you could highlight it.

3. When you talk about $40 million dollars to support farmers in Afganistan replacing their opium crops you are really stretching the friendship to suggest that this somehow constitutes support for the Taliban.

4. Some rabid candidate for congress pointing out what most educated people already know. Yes some of the money which was sent to support Afghan resistance ended up in the hands of extremists. The vast majority of the money however went to groups who were actually defending their country against the most dangerous and immoral empire that the world had yet seen.

5. Finally you reprint a submission from an Oil executive attempting to garner support for a central asian gas and oil pipeline. You don’t have any reply to this submission. Unless of course you believe those absolute morons who think that the US staged 9/11 to invade Afghanistan and the Middle east for the oil wealth. Funny that those people can reconcile the twin realities of the greatest ever succesfull covert operation with the rather below average results we are seeing from the “PLAN” today. Why don’t you just post loose change and have done with it?