Passy: "Of course Christianity isn't built on lies, is it?"

I didn't doublespeak!! Feel free to attack Christianity the way I criticise Islam, if that pleases you.

I do NOT believe Christianity is intentionally or unintentionally built on lies the way Islam is.

One simple reason - Islam is based on words of just ONE man.

Do you believe Mohammad (a warrior, killer) telling people he met with Angel Gabriel on numerous occasions to receive words from Allah to preach Islam over 20 Years?? If you do, try asking about evidence of those claims.

There're convicted murderers quite capable of claiming innocence, with a completely convincing straight face too.

CJ Morgan,

If you're not an Islamophobe why did you watched it? I didn't!!

In fact whether you watched Four Corners Monday night would have made NO difference to whatever you wrote above. You're entirely predictable in you naivety and error of judgement.

Quote: <<"...for an individual to become a terrorist, they must first have become sufficiently alienated....the progression to violence....is facilitated by shared sociopathic ideologies.">>

This is only true in the case of followers of Islam, but NOT any other religion. Not Christians, Buddhists; not Hindus or Jews.

When Taliban lorded over Afghanistan, there was no social alienation in Afghanistan, no "ugly non-Muslim", no xenophobic rally, no "Islamophobes", no infidels. But nonetheless we found the worst extremists, fundamentalists right there.

Boo..boo...A bit of knowledge with a pea brain is very dangerous.

CJ Morgan, You haven't got a clue where the wind is blowing from and going to.

Your mindset is already that of a typical Islamist - It's ALWAYS the FAULT of NON-Muslims.

Does that entitle you to claim moral high ground and justifies your contempt towards those you regard as nasties??
So you can't wait to eradicate those enemies, me included.

You're not a radical Muslim, you say. But sometimes a "friend" causes more damages than an overt enemy - an insider, a betrayer, a double-agent, a traitor comes into my mind.

You really don't have to be radical Muslim -- Being your true-self is bad enough !!

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Well I guess Muslims are going to feel "alienated" for some time to come. Also Aborigines.

See:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/03/09/1204998283744.html

"WHITE students are fleeing public schools, leaving behind those of Aboriginal and Middle Eastern origin, a secret report by high school principals reveals."

Julia Gillard delivered a "tut tut" but, according to the Herald:

"The NSW Minister for Education, John Della Bosca, and his federal counterpart, Julia Gillard, yesterday said they were committed to parental choice in education."

Gillard has no children but I wonder how many of her colleague's kids attend the local government school in their constituencies.

See also letters:

http://blogs.smh.com.au/newsblog/archives/your_say/017464.html#comments

"Absolutely race and safety are issues! White kids are being moved out of those schools because they don't want to be bullied or attacked. Why must the state feel the need to interfere when their obvious integration policies are failing? Let white kids go to white schools, and if segregation occurs naturally. So be it. The fault is with multiculturalism, not with whites moving their kids out of the region. If you force people to send kids to their local schools, we will see a resurgence of home schooling. Let sleeping dogs lie, and leave it alone."

And:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/10/2184653.htm

"A confidential survey conducted in 2006 by the council showed there had been an exodus of Anglo-European families from some public schools.

"Council president Jim McAlpine says the research, released in a Sydney newspaper today, shows the phenomenon is most marked in areas where there is a high percentage of families from an Aboriginal background."

Guess you can't stop people voting with their feet and / or wallets.

Nice riposte gz. I'm sure we can find some way of blaming the Taleban on George Bush or John Howard or, preferrably, both.

Passy, In your last post, you didn’t respond to what I wrote to you yesterday morning. Froggie has now raised similar issues. Are you going to respond?

Pax,

TRTL – please read “The Islamist” by Ed Husain…it might explain a few things for you.
"It seems like every time something happens overseas, whether it's an attack or a bombing, it's like you're blamed for it, we always have to defend it, you know, miles and miles away. What have Muslims in Australia got to do with foreign policy overseas?" asks Walid.
Unfortunately, as long as some Muslims (Islamists) don’t try to integrate themselves into the community, and go around with an attitude that disparages people of other faiths, or secular people, or people of homosexual inclination, or infidels who believe in no religion, "Kafirs" as they call them, then all Muslims will become marginalized. Add in the well publicised instances of Islamic extremism that are regularly in the news media, then it is little wonder that a certain idea of what Muslims ARE is taking hold.
Muslims do have a tendency to set themselves apart.
Probably unfair to a point, but that is human nature. Islamic countries are hardly fair to their religious or other minorities.
Also, I don’t like the implied threat in the rest of the article, that, if they are marginalized, then the rest of society will suffer “So maybe we'll have more crime, because they feel lost, they don't know where to turn, maybe more killings, maybe. God knows."
If they can’t obey the law here, then maybe they would be better off in an Islamic country.

Goodthief, Froggie,

You are of course both correct.

Most of the violence in Iraq in recent years has been consequence of attempted mutual genocide between different Muslim factions.

Since the end of the war Americans have displayed greater regard for Iraqi lives than have Iraqis.

THEY MISSED THE POINT..... 4 CORNERS.

Lucky I'm not one of the Journo's or I'd be asking questions like:

"Fahdi...don't you think that verses from the Quran like 'destroy' Christians and Jews contribute to the hostile attitude Aussies have toward Muslims" ?

"Fahdi.. don't you feel that verses like "FIGHT against those who do not believe in Allah and the last day" etc contribute to the alienation you speak of?"

"Fahdi..is is possible that the source of Alienation is SELF imposed?"

"Fahdi... don't you wonder why Aussies seem to get along so well with many of the other races and religions which come here, but re Muslims, its a stand out problem?"

"Fahdi, don't you think that Lebanese Muslims who glorify pack rape, make videos we all saw, claiming Australia is under new management.. i.e. Lebanese Muslim management.. has a bit to do with this alienation you speak of and complain about?"

FAHDI RAHMAN..WHERE ARE YOU?.. why not drop into OLO and answer some of these questions personally.

"Fahdi, you yourself stated during the Cronulla period that Muslim youths feel they are superior to Australians and they hate western values.... could this cultural/religious superiority problem be a factor" ?

But b4 you do, know this... we have very well informed people who can quickly dissolve the usual rebuffs "Oh you don't understand Islam" "Oh..you take things out of context" in the acid of history and truth.

I suppose program managers like to leave many questions un asked and thus unanswered to we think the next program might actually address them.....who knows?