"Passy, Bushbasher and Ginx- three representatives of probably the most demonstrably FAILED religions of all time-Socialism.
You'd think they would have grown up by now, wouldn't you?
But no, they are stuck back in their nineteen seventies student activist paradigm, condemned forever to repeat the liturgy of their simplistic beliefs."(Quote:FROGGIE)

Ahhh! Little squat slimy green thing...

What a splendiferous job the Conservative thugs have done eh?

You self-serving greedy intolerant little bastards!!
What have you nasty little creatures brought to this world in your pursuance of more wealth for the wealthy, more poverty for the poor.
More xenophobia, more hatred of those who do not aspire to your false gods; your false sense of all that is right, and any who oppose that are less than you, are not 'grown-up',- stuck in the past etc., ebloodytc!!

You are loathsome little tic's on the skin of mankind, and you have placed this and many other countries, in greater danger than ever before in your brown-nosing adulation of the gutless cowards who are responsible for countless innocent deaths, many of whom were their own countrymen.

You are the human slime who have inured the current global atmosphere.
You are the human slime who support and even boast about this shameful period in our history.

And you are the utterly odious and repugnant nest of intolerant vipers who have the brass-necked temerity to judge the failings of others!.!.!.!.!

I am sick to bloody death of every last one of you, and leave it to my colleagues in reason and compassion to take you on.

I will only judge you as you judge me. I have not the patience to counter your incessant diatribes and preaching of all that is intolerant and hateful.

Some twot on another thread made the startling statement about the Iraqi invasion being a positive thing! (NOT verbatim).

Let me offer up my first AND last link:-

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq5_vG3cYGM

Is this spliced and diced? YES.
Is it lying? NO.

Aren't you proud?

"gutless cowards" "human slime" "repugnant nest of intolerant vipers" etc. etc.

Dear me Ginx. You are one angry man (or woman?)Them's strong words but I'm not criticising you. It's just that your "contemptous language" (TRTL's description - not mine) is leading me to believe that I in comparison, could in fact be a dual reincarnation of Mother Theresa and Gandhi!

>>On behalf of all fair minded Australians<<

“It is presumptuous of you to claim to speak on my behalf without consulting me.” (Pericles)

Oh yes, now we have the pious Windbag Pericles. Learn one thing Windbag. I did not speak on your behalf and it is preposterous of you to believe that I would actually include you in my list of fair minded Australians. Perhaps you would be wise to reflect on your bloated ego and check for gas leaks.

‘”It is simply that which it is: opposition to the fear-mongers amongst us, who would have us believe that every Muslim is a pack rapist and a child molester.”

Such emotive language Windbag - such hyperbole and spoken like a real girlie! Pray tell, who are these “fear-mongers” you speak of? Those liars who believe every Muslim is a pack rapist and a child molester? How many are there? And why hasn’t the Discrimination Act been enforced and these hateful people prosecuted?

Do be a good little war-monger and provide us with links to substantiate these alarming claims so that we fair minded Australians can voice our objections to these monsters. Or are they simply a figment of your maniacal imagination and a ploy to incite the infidelophobes?

I anxioulsy await your evidence about the "simply that which it is?"

And all these hysterics directed at a poster who has never criticised the Islamic religion but merely accessed this thread to advise the need for vigilance against terrorism and a precautionary approach to those who speak with forked tongues!

What a tosser you are Windbag! Why don't you try keeping both hands on the key-board for a change?

“Dickie, I rather suspected your somewhat indignant rants would then come my way."

Take you hand off it TRTL? It was your rants which came my way. Get it?.

So where's' your response TRTL. You know: the "whining racists" "racist trolls" etc? Perhaps it’s taking a while to cook one up similar to the “xenophobic hack” one?

"Dickie - CJ has proven that yes, Melanie Phillips is indeed a xenophobic hack." (TRTL)

And how would that be TRTL? Because of Jackie Ashley's condescending petty piffle? Ashley went after her predecessor, Phillips, because she reports for a rival paper.

Your posts remain selective at best, certainly dishonest - fallacious and worse, so infinitely tedious that even my leg fell asleep!

Jackie Ashley - Guardian:

“It does come down to values. Just as I loathe the idea of separate Muslim schools in Britain, or forced marriages, or female genital mutilation, so I cannot swallow the notion of a rising Islamic world that despises western and liberal values. To be a liberal does not mean shrugging your shoulders at those who loathe you and hoping that somehow everyone will get on.”

Stephen Pritchard
Sunday June 11, 2006
The Observer:

"Owing to an editing error last week, we failed to make clear that a letter from Chris Doyle, carried in response to our publication of an extract from Melanie Phillips's new book Londonistan, was written in his capacity as director of the Council for the Advancement of Arab British Understanding.

"That extract may have given the impression that Ms Phillips's book connects all British Muslims to a campaign of violence, whereas she stresses that the vast majority are peaceful and law-abiding. She also draws a distinction between Islam, which should be respected, and Islamism, which, she believes, is the use of that religion for violent ends."

Touche Melanie Phillips!

The war-mongers on this thread will continue to manipulate truth. These are the religious police flourishing banners warning: "PERLICE NOTISE- FREA SPEACH PROHIBATED" written by the cockeyed and poisonous Pericles, motor-mouth Morgan and TRTL who's so giddy turning left and right he speaks in jabbawanky!

Ginx

I can understand your frustration. However this site represents the reality of the range of opinion in Australia today, from the fascist to the revolutionary. Reactionaries and die hard conservatives may be over represented but they don't have any other outlets for their views (other than page after page of most newspapers in Australia).

I just think we patiently explain,patiently explain and patiently explain our views. In times of a seeming peace between the classes (e.g. record low levels of strikes, puppy dogs for union leaders and so on) most won't change their views simply by reading our posts. Some may, but they will be a tiny minority.

But when the next upsurge in class struggle occurs, all sorts of economic and political questions will arise. And those doing the questioning and moving rapidly to the left may well be many of those (or some of them at least) you are currently berating.

To quote from an old dead German, the ruling ideas are the ideas of the ruling class. They use racism, sexism and homophobia and hatred or fear of "the other" to reinforce their system. The grind of daily life and the inherent alienation of capitalism make all of us receptive to their ideas. Our daily lives - making profit for a small group - reinforces our feelings of helplessness. We can clutch at the straws of something like Islamophobia because it identifies with a group and seemingly empowers us (against them, of course.) But in major struggles the filth of ages is swept aside.

Until then let us continue to patiently explain.

Froggie and goodthief, sorry, I think it is time to move on to other articles and fresher discussions. I am sure our paths will cross again and you can ask me the same questions you think I may not have answered here.
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Dickie, dear me. Your indignant flailing is hitting more and more other posters.

If you can, try to keep your ire directed toward the posts here. As for turn-right left childishness, I can assure you, you ain't the first and it really doesn't strike me as all that clever.

Hokay now. Let me see - did you manage to read the definition of xenophobic, or hack? Still not addressing it yet?

Riddle me this - does Melanie Phillips express a fear of foreigners?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Secondly, is she a journalist? The 'hack' perjorative term is evidently going to be disputed depending on whether people believe her or not, but given her consistently fringe conservative views on pretty much everything, it's pretty safe to say her commentary is far from 'balanced.'

Provided any links? Not yet? Oh well, maybe you'll get there someday. Until then, hold onto that 'guilty until proven innocent' view of the world. I suppose it is an easier way to ignore evidence.

At least, we're in agreement that Islam in its entirety isn't necessarily the problem, it's the fringe movements.

The thing is, the people you're defending tend to use radicals as a smokescreen to attack the religion in its entirety. As I've already explained for you, this is quite a common tactic.

Still not something you've really addressed. As for me being selective, you jump between perjorative terms so quickly it's impossible to address them all.

Your entire argument is criticising him for criticising those who attack Islamic movements.

My contention was that these people use radicalism as a smokescreen. Again, you haven't disproven or responded to this.

The funny thing is, it appears you largely agree with CJ, it's the fact he's used emotive insulting language. The rest of your posts are just insults in a desperate attempt to defend yourself.

I see. I'll file that alongside:

"Windbag" "tosser" "girlie" "bloated ego" and "sanctimonious."

Passy

I’m not criticising Socialism, it’s a fine ideal. But it will never happen.

Have you ever wondered why, as you say, it has “never been tried”?

Unfortunately, it doesn’t take account of human nature, so it will never work.

I don’t know how it could be tried, without taking people’s freedom away.

You obviously don’t read other people’s posts and think about what they have to say, because you are such a committed Marxist, that you have closed your mind to anything else.

It’s really a waste of time discussing this with you, it is a “dialogue of the deaf”.

Your latest post directed at Dickie is bizarre. You state that “the ruling class’ “use racism, sexism and homophobia and hatred or fear of "the other" to reinforce their system.”

You don’t believe that the Islamists are actually guilty of those things?

You’d better read “The Islamist” by Ed Husain as well.

Ginx. I’m really sorry that you took such umbrage to my post.

You have not read much of what I wrote, either. Or if you did, it didn’t get through to you.

“What have you nasty little creatures brought to this world in your pursuance of more wealth for the wealthy, more poverty for the poor.”

The poorest people in the West, in the hated capitalist system, are richer than most in the Third World.

There is nothing stopping you from doing well in the capitalist system. You are probably already a shareholder through your superannuation. There is nothing stopping you from creating a business and making yourself wealthy, if you wanted to. You could even buy shares on your own account, or get wealthy through property, if you can’t think of anything else to do.

Of course if you prefer to whine, feel sorry for yourself and rail against “the system” on behalf of others who also expect it all on a plate, it is your choice. But you won’t get very far in life with that attitude.