A definition of 'god' would help enourmously.

Preferably one that is rational, reasonable, logical. All of which would make faith redundant.

Personally lm partial to the ideas of causation and conditionality. Meaning, all things are conditional upon others things. Nothing arises of its own volition and all things are caused. This notion pretty much strings everything together driven by the same underlying process. It could loosely be an allegory for the essence of creation. Or 'god' if you like.

Dear Martin

I'm not sure what to make of your post bro.....could you clarify exactly what you meant by those links ? They seem to support what I'm saying.

Perhaps I gave you a wrong impression ?

blessings.

stickman wrote 'There is mate.. it's called DNA and the human genome'...

not really bro...dna is just the blue print or 'building plan'...human genome is the 'total' dna coding of a human...and we have an idea how the dna which exists as a paired coiled chemical chain, is stimulated by demand to unravel in parts exposing inner sequence of structure on which a sequence of action takes place to result in protiens...which is the basic building blocks of a cell and its functional products...

but we have no clue to what process is involved that forms each unique inner parts of the human eg to give the liver its unique shape...and the same liver shape is maintained in all humans...think about it...this question will not arise if say liver looked like a round blob in all humans...yeah cells keep dividing and increasing till there is enough and it stops growing so forms a ball and why not...that will be understandable...but here its a really unique shape...and consistently in all humans I have seen...and this unique structure goes all the way to cellular level and how they are arranged...
http://www.britannica.com/eb/art/print?id=68633
http://www.britannica.com/ebc/art-60419/Microscopic-structure-of-the-liver-Liver-cells-or-hepatocytes-have

see what I mean...interesting huh...and if we go further and say if dna codes for 'general shape' as well...then how is it controlled during the development phase...meaning without some form of sensing to how all the multiplying liver cells are arranging themselves and some form of control mechanism to create more growth here and less there...it is not possible to form that unique shape...hope I have explained this well enough...

so it would seem that each of our cells have an 'inner sense' of its purpose and of its local cells and on the large scale to work in balanced harmony for benefit of the whole(until a feminist...oops...I mean tumour...forms)...all without any discernible intelligence...apply same to man and god...but with reasoning and logical intelligence...

Sam

bushbred,
Interesting that you should bring St Thomas Aquinas into this discussion. Actually what he did was to affirm that there is no conflict between Christian faith and scientific reasoning. (I'm not referring to certain types of reasoning found on OLO purporting to be scientific but which would certainly not have been considered such by Plato and Aristotle).

St Thomas was taught by St Albert who was one of the greatest scientists of his time. Right from the start there have been any number of Christians who had good scientific knowledge. For example St Basil and St Augustine are two Christians from early times whose erudition in a wide variety of subjects was second to none. An even earlier example is St Luke who was in the medical profession that has always relied on scientific knowledge. In fact it his hard to imagine that some degree of scientific knowledge was not necessary for St Paul in his tent-making trade. Fishermen such as St Peter and St Andrew would have had to have some scientific knowledge too.

To sum up you don't have to park your brain when you embrace the Christian faith. So I would answer those atheists who protest (too much methinks) that you don't have to have faith in order to have ethics and morality that neither do you have to have atheism in order to think clearly or scientifically.

A definition of god. Is that what you are looking for. I would interact with you all if you didn't have such closed minds. The world is just a all minding bender. I said before" the real god has no name"
So! You want the answer.

You were born with it! Its a evolutionary fact. Go back to my notes.

Before god, the paintings on the walls were exact, and it came from our own minds and its the thoughts of our earliest beginnings, and that's all it is!

How many more centuries will it take!

In the heart is were god lives and no-where else. Stop creating your false gods. Its evolution

I think we’ve found out your first name Boaz. The David I was referring to was the author. Personally I think you’re a star, I’ve found it difficult to contradict anything you’ve ever said.

Speaking for myself (but I suspect you’re one too) I was firmly set against God for a long time. But it means we’re of particular service to Him. We have the advantage of knowing everything about atheism but others know nothing about the living God.

“tribulations must not cease until God sees us remade. Or sees that our remaking is now hopeless” CS Lewis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e0EQlQXoEo
(her tears are mine)

http://www.muslimjourneytohope.com/testimonies/testimony_afshin.wmv
(my tears again)

You know that those in here, particularly the ones that denigrate you the most, are much more likely to become saints. You know who I mean when I say he would much rather we watch TV, or distract ourselves in any way other than interacting with believers. Those who are truly lost make every effort (unconscious or not) to avoid any kind of contact with Christ. Don’t give up on us mate. You know God will work through you to reach some of us (hopefully all). History, science and reason, indeed all our faculties, are in your favour.

Love and blessings.
See you at the Resurrection.