David needed ten thousand words, however ten are all that is necessary."faith is believing in something,that you know dosen't exist"

The "believers" seem to think that the bible is the ultimate truth and that they only have to quote it for us atheists to surrender and accept their argument. They don't seem to realise that we regard everything written there as the word of ignorant and deluded men. It is absurd to regard the bible as the word of some mythical supernatural being even if it might contain the odd philosophy that we feel is appropriate.

Dave here God was first alluded to by Abraham & his decendents kept that belief alive. Religion was created by Greek scholars to answer to the human brain that which cannot be answered which gave rise to the early direction of NATURAL JUSTICE so all that wish to deride God & the faith that goes with it should consider thier claim to natural justice. I myself had only a little belief in God but it was a funny thing when I had my accident in 1985 & I lay there partly pinned by 1.2 tonne of steel grid how I asked for his help. Likewise many who say they do not believe scream God help me when hurt hits them but it is time to drop the arguement as my father said two arguements that cannot be won is politics & religion as they are a persons belief & who is to say my belief is right & yours wrong
May your Lord shine on you all well
God Bless from Dave

I completely agree with snake. If ever I base my argument on logic and what has been proven, if this happens to contradict a “believer”, they offer some fairy tale bible story as defence of their argument. They seem to believe that I should give this book of fables the same level of credence as proven sources. I was a catholic, I have read the bible in its entirety (many years ago) and if anything it only gives more sway to the argument of an atheists. It contains many contradictions “eye for eye, tooth for tooth” vs “turn the other cheek”, God is meant to be perfect. So why is he able to be taunted by the devil into destroying Job's life. Anyway It is everybody’s right to believe or not.

aaargh... VK3AUU I keep on having to educate you on the same issue :)

You quoted Gore Vidal about us making God in our own image..

R U SERIOUS ? yes.. 'most' religions invent a god they 'like'.. who gives them what they want.... humanly speaking.

I challenge you to read the Gospels.. and the tell me 'we invented' that Jesus.

"If any man would follow me.. let him deny himself, take up his cross and come after me" err.. does not exactly sound like the kind of Messiah I would invent. .... would YOU invent such a religious figure?

Jesus taught AGAINST all our natural inclinations..

Don't LUST.
Don't GET ANGRY
Don't be SELF RIGHTEOUS
Don't seek to BE TOP DOG
LOVE your enemies.
BLESS/do good to those who persecute you.

No mate..I'm just not seeing Vidals assessment of religion in Christ and Christianity.

Have you ever wondered how such a one as Christ impacted our value system?

COMFORT WOMEN, GEISHA'S and SEX STARVED BRITISH SOLDIERS.
Today, I was watching 'The World at War' and it was on the Burma campaign...
The Japanese had women brought to the front lines, 'comfort' women for the troops.. and 'Geisha's for the officers.
To my knowledge, the British,Austalian an American governments never ever sent 'women for pleasure' to their troops. Sure the boys would have indulged in what was around at the various cities on RnR, but that was not 'policy'. The Brits sent Vera Lynn to sing for them :)

I believe it was the 'value' of 'no sex outside of marriage' (at least in principle) that guided the Allies in this matter. And of course...that value comes from Jesus. I hardly think that 'men' would have invented a Messiah who denied them the very thing their bodies crave for ? er..do you ?

Sometimes I read your posts, runner, and think.. maybe you are actually an atheist/agnostic troll.. posing as a Christian to make them look bad, writing parodies of Christian belief to discredit the religion.. after all, surely no genuine believer could write such utter tripe? Could they?

Sadly, however.. I think you are serious, and you mean what you write. I have seen better logic from kindergarten students. Do you have any other mode than "mindlessly blather cliches from the wooden-headed blinkered believer's playbook?" At least Boazy, the high priest of proselytism, tries (in vain) to argue a point coherently.