Zilmia, You did state” I totally resent your opening statement with the words that "I claim to be of the SG".” Well lets check your past postings;

I totally resent your opening statement with the words that "I claim to be of the SG".
Posted by zilmia, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 8:55:17 AM
Now, you claimed your mother was “asleep” when allegedly you were “stolen”. Now, something doesn’t sound right to me that your mother was asleep and someone could remove you. During the day I would not be asleep but look after the children and during the night when I was asleep the house was locked so no one could enter.

A personal reaction to your opening words, that I 'claimed' to be,when I stated that I WAS."Now something doesn't sound right to you?" Why are you even comparing yourself to my situation, this is not about what you would do! How about I ran away, and hid the bush for 16years & met up again with my mother at her funeral, would that be more soothing to your ears & leave you without any doubt? Thank goodness I have documentation that was released to me that shows how the real story was covered up with lies.
..."I feel sorry for Aboriginals as I do for others who suffer an injustice but I owe no apology for this"...Once again, nobody is asking you personally for an apology.
"..Feeling sorry or having to say sorry are two different meanings. Don’t be fooled with words that have no meaning"....
Feeling sorry for someone is an emotion, saying sorry is an action, so of course in your example, the two do have totally different meanings.
I can't bielieve that I am arguing about 1 word, but then again it seems to be a word that has offended a lot of people in our country, if it had no meaning, then this would not be possible

As an excuse for the policy of removing children from their families, Col Rouge writes: "Applying contemporary values to historic circumstances is a fraud". While he acknowledges that "removing children from their natural parents is ill-advised", he asserts that "the values of our forefathers, like the environment they lived in differed to that of today".

He then contradicts his own argument by noting that "we have moved on from burning witches and sacrificing virgins on the solstice". He doesn't explain why we 'moved on'.

We moved on because burning witches and sacrificing virgins was wrong - and those who countenanced those crimes were finally called to account after political campaigns. Those practices were wrong then, and are still wrong now. Just as child sexual abuse was wrong in the past, it is still wrong and will always be wrong. Can anyone imagine a day when 'circumstances' will change to allow child sexual abuse to become lawful and morally acceptable?

Can anyone imagine a day when Jews will again be taken to gas chambers for 'cleansing'? It is always wrong. We don't condone the holocaust because they didn't know any different in the 'olden days'. It wasn't a matter of 'historical circumstances'. It will always be evil.

Except where there is an evidence-based case that a child's health and safety are at risk, removing Aboriginal children (or any other children) from their families was wrong then, it is wrong now and will always be wrong.

We don't use so-called 'historical circumstances' to retrospectively excuse murder, rape or wife-bashing. Why should we use it for the inhumanity of forcefully removing children from their parents?

FrankGol, LET BE CLEAR ABOUT IT THAT I DO NOT SPEAK ON BEHALF OF Col Rouge! Having states this I take very much the view that what may have been done at a certain time, no matter how ill-conceived at the time, later by hindsight could have been done different.
For example, the 1967 con-job referendum that purported to give Aboriginals equal rights. It did no such thing. To the contrary it robbed Aboriginals of their equal rights they had been assured since federation. The problem is that people are conned to belief something and then further action its taken in the belief that this will resolve it, instead it makes it worse.
For example the white only voting rights was unconstitutional but no one then and since bothered to correct this and the ill-conceived 1967 referendum made it worse.
I have absolutely no issue with a person like “zilmia” who claims to be wrongly removed from her mother to get appropriate compensation if this is what a court were to decide. However, I do not have to say sorry for what occurred and neither had the Government any position to say “sorry” on my behalf.
So many people pursue a “sorry” to Aboriginals but forget that half-cast are not Aboriginal but Caucasian or whatever, and so who are you going to apologise to?
Children are removed from parents, regardless of their race, and far too-often are ending up worse then from the circumstances they have been removed from. We therefore do better to address that problem and leave it to the Courts to decide which person deserves a financial compensation, if any.
I do not perceive Col Rouge to imply to approve of what might, to our views, have been done wrongly in the past. What I understand is that he indicates that over time we learn what was done in certain circumstances may have by hindsight been wrong.
I understand he was not claiming that people perpetrating the wrongs didn’t know then what they were doing was wrong, as that was not the point he sought to make.

CJ Morgan;- as you will notice the matter of the post you refer to has been dealt with.I DID react to the viciousness of this creature with genuine hilarity, and DID email my my grandson.

But his latest offering froze the humour instantly and I was quite literally sick. It was the shock of seeing such disgusting and filthy language on this forum. I don't shock easily, but that was my reaction here.

I am sure you will understand that I shall ALSO request deletion of your post, because it quotes this vile stuff.

I can't believe this.I really can't believe it;-it has shut me down. I can run with the best of you, but this has made my flesh creep; I feel dirty.

In all conscience; it is my sincere and profound belief that the events of the last two weeks HAVE sent the message that anything goes. I am absolutely certain that that is why this happened.

Freedom of Speech has and MUST have boundaries; this is shown by this deletion and the closing of another thread.
I have said this all along, but I am certainly feeling no sense of triumph;-what a way to prove a point.

Thank-you for pointing out what I could not. I was unable to post earlier, because of the two post limit.

No worries Ginx. I've just recommended my own post for deletion :)

I have absolutely no issue with a person like “zilmia” who claims to be wrongly removed from her mother to get appropriate compensation if this is what a court were to decide.
Posted by Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 1:23:05 PM

How dare you state that I 'CLAIM' to be of the Stolen Generation to get compensation! This would have to be the most rudest, insulting & vulgar thing that anyone could ever say to me! You are the only one who makes reference to any money that maybe gained. You were not beside me as I watched the telecast of the apology by Rudd. You did not see or hear me sobbing, you did not feel the negative energy leave me body as the words were spoken, you were not present when I rang me husband crying because I was finally letting go of all the anger & sadness that has been within me for 40years.You did not see me crying for my mother & the lost family I never got to know, & wishing that they were alive to be able to share that incredible moment. You did not see me at work later that day, with the biggest smile .You are the one that is looking at the dollar signs, not I. For how I felt then & now, no amount of money can ever equal that. I have been married for 23yrs,& have 3 beautiful children.The eldest son is a slaughterman , my second son is nearly at the completion of his apprenticeship as a boilermaker/fabricator & my daughter is at uni studying nursing. We own our home, & have no debts. My wonderful husband is a builder, & I am an artist, but working as a cook for something different to do for awhile.I have everything that I could possibly want, because my family is the most precious thing on this earth to me,as this is what I did not have when growing up.I can't bielieve what you have said!