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'Sorry' first, but progress later : Comments

By Howard Glenn, published 8/2/2008

The most encouraging part of the debate is that it has the prospect of re-kindling a bi-partisan approach to Aboriginal issues.

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Loudmouth,

God good if some of my statements are ridiculous some of yours vary from simplistic to downright offensive.

You've ignored the overall thrust of my post to concentrate on just one aspect. The construction of a University in the sticks might be unrealistic and unworkable but this is the communication age and while you are stuck with 'down the line thinking' I'm much more immaginative and think laterally ... more often than not.

Anyway besides being focused only on tertiary education can you possibly address the other examples I used or even try to address the broader issue raised.

I shouldn't be left to think such a broad focus might be too difficult for you.
Posted by keith, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 6:44:39 AM
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Keith,

Do you understand how racist such an institution could be, how easily it could fit into a new policy of exclusion ? Didn't you pick up anything in my reference to South Africa ?

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 8:01:11 AM
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Keith

“Education services, health services, policing in remote communities are funded well below the levels of the cities.”

On what parameter?

“There is not one tertiary institution in any remote area of Australia.”
“There is not one hospital in any of our remote communities.”
“Employment opportunites are almost non-existant and business development funding in remote communities is also almost non-existant.”

Those are matters of social critical mass.

Not every hamlet or is next to a Coles or Safeway.

Not every township is adjacent to or has its own hospital.

I would note the flying doctor service does not operate in urban Melbourne or Sydney.

If people want the services expected from large towns and cities, they have the free choice to move to them.

I do support the ideas of decentralization, particularly in the development of say new towns or the expansion of small towns into larger ones. It works for all people a lot better than the continued expansion of Melbourne or Sydney but when developing a hospital network one has to consider not only the building but the requirement to staff it and not many doctors or nurses want to live in a remote community.

“Not one person in a remote Indigenous community has the same right as you to land ownership.”

They do if they live where I live and can afford the mortgage.

Leigh “Will we end up as an oppressed minority”

We know, Leigh, we will be dead before being oppressed.

It is folk like you, yabby (and I ) who stand up for individual rights in the face of the mob of socialist thought police and levelers who, through small mindedness, think the state should run everything on behalf of no one.

It is you and I who get told we should be banned because the despots of the left are threatened by the merit of our thoughts and ability to articulate.

Rainier “minority” Leigh is an individual of one. Me too

As dearest Margaret said

“There is no such thing as Society. There are individual men and women, and there are families.”
Posted by Col Rouge, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 9:41:16 AM
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"It is you and I who get told we should be banned because the despots of the left are threatened by the merit of our thoughts and ability to articulate".

I'm rolling around on the ground laughing, oh my stomach hurts...

Please Rusty Col, no more, no more, I beseech you!

Your comedic talent is second to none!

Keep them coming old son, keep them coming!

You're wasted here, you should do stand up, perhaps a ventriloquist act with Leigh sitting on your lap!!?? LOL!
Posted by Rainier, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 9:28:29 PM
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On subjects such as this, the debate is far too polarised for any meaningful progress to me made. Time for a quote:

"In times of change learners inherit the earth; while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists."

Here's hoping that we're in for a real change (you can call it "levelling" if you like, Col).
Posted by RobP, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 10:06:15 AM
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RobP” Here's hoping that we're in for a real change (you can call it "levelling" if you like, Col).”

As dearest Margaret Said

“Let our children grow tall, and some taller than others if they have it in them to do so.”

RobP you might think there is something special in “leveling”, you might even think it represents “change”.

What it really means is people are repressed, disbarred, through the authority of the state from aspiring to their full individual potential.

The Cromwellian levelers pursued such strategies and in the end Cromwell was dug up and posthumously beheaded.

So leveling now will be no different to leveling 350 years ago. All you get is mediocrity, indifference, indolence and the bland lifestyle associated with fundamentalist Puritanism, “socialism” in a word.

I further recall the trade union movement consistently posture one of the most entrenched views for maintaining the status quo. I also recall that in UK Margaret Thatcher, first female prime minister of UK and from the right of politics imposed massive changes, cleaning out the nationalized industry sheltered workshops of socialist incompetence.

Change has never phased me. Simply because, change always represents opportunity for the innovative.

However saying “sorry” and pandering to parochial interests of indolent malcontents is nothing new.

It is no different to Neville Chamberlains “peace” agreement in Munich in 1938.

Appeasement has never resolved anything, it only gave false assurances to the feeble minded.

Rainier laugh all you want, you have tried everything else including bullying and demands for me to be banned. Do you really think you will succeed with sarcasm?

Trust me, you will not.

But do not let me discourage you. The more you try, the more pathetic you show yourself to be.

I like it, the cloistered academic failing to prevail over this common man.

Btw how much of an aborigine are you?

A full blood of half, quarter or was your mum just frightened by a face at the window when you were being conceived?
Posted by Col Rouge, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 12:20:54 PM
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