Passy “These are the same sort of arguments used to take the stolen generation. We were wrong then. We may well be wrong now.”

And dead children, their bodies torn, bled to death do not get to suggest being removed from the dysfunctional communities, responsible for the rape and abuse, might be the right thing.

“I would suggest that the solution is in the hands of the communities, not sending troops in, taking their land and so on.”

I am not a religious person, in the going to church sense but one thing I do recall from my Methodist childhood upbringing

Jesus said “suffer the little children to come unto me”

I think Passy is suggesting simply “suffer little children”,

Leaving children in the hands of “the communities”, their fate at the mercy of that community and those children more likely will complain, if they survive the rapes and live to have a functioning brain after sniffing some choice unleaded.

Rainier to Leigh “why don't you give everyone here an explanation why you post on articles”

Leigh is not obliged to explain why he chooses to post here and since you bracket Leigh and I, I will advise you that nor am I.

If any explanation is required it should be from you.

You who suggest that Leigh and I be banned, presumably because you cannot face the truth or challenge what we say.

In your demands lay the words of the coward.

You who cannot reason, demand OLO silence your detractors and dissenters through censorship.

Personally, I wish for you to post here. You and anyone else who either agrees or disagrees with Leigh or I.

I believe you should post for one dominant and prevailing reason. That reason is, by posting here you show yourself to be a racist.

The brief definition of a racist is “Discrimination or prejudice based on race.”

I believe that extending to aboriginal people special rights to land, special rights to government aid and support, above and beyond that extended to non-aboriginal people is “racist”.

Now argue that!

Col Rouge: "The brief definition of a racist is “Discrimination or prejudice based on race.”

I believe that extending to aboriginal people special rights to land, special rights to government aid and support, above and beyond that extended to non-aboriginal people is “racist”.

Now argue that!"

It's really very simple, Col. Your claim is only valid if you consider Aboriginal people to constitute a "race". The corollary of that, of course is that, despite your attempt at sophistry, you are the racist beacause you classify people in racist terms.

For the Australian government to apologise to Australia's Indigenous people for the past obvious injustices against Abroriginal and Torres Strait Island people is no racist act. Rather, it is a significant attempt to resume the process of National Reconciliation that had an 11-year hiatus under the Howard regime.

That some people choose to vent their spleens in opposition to this overdue act of humanity from the Australian government, says much about their deeply ingrained antagonism towards Aboriginal and Islander people, if not their equally ingained racist dispositions.

Rusty Rouge,

"I believe that extending to aboriginal people special rights to land, special rights to government aid and support, above and beyond that extended to non-aboriginal people is “racist”.

Let’s invert this assertion and see how it reads-

o "I believe that extending to white Australian people special rights to land, special rights to government aid and support, above and beyond that extended to Aboriginal people is “racist”.

Hang on?? Isn’t this what exists now and is considered normal here in Straya?

The status quo that Rusty Rouge calls for is the perpetuation of racism and racist policy.

His poor attempt at trying to appear to be colour -blind, liberal and fair-minded is revealed.

Racists often don't know they are racists simply because they refuse to even consider it a possibility.

Hence, one eyed Rusty Rouge is King in his blind little world.

"I believe that extending to aboriginal people special rights to land, special rights to government aid and support, above and beyond that extended to non-aboriginal people is “racist”."

You are drawing a rather long bow, Col. In my opinion, this is more a case of "squaring the ledger" by whites and probably a clumsy and overly one-sided form of atonement than racism. Real racism is what exists inside people's heads. In your quote, the Aboriginals are only passive recipients of a form of protection/welfare. While you've made it clear in past posts you don't agree with that, you can't blame racism for it. No doubt racism is mixed up with it and there are racists within Aboriginal communities, but this is another issue.

Ranier,

So, now it’s physical challenges is it? You know quite well that you are on safe ground; that you will never meet me in person. I think that this is not the first time you have offered this ‘challenge’ to someone.

Quite frankly, I would not go within cooee of you or anyone like you. You have clearly portrayed yourself as an uncontrolled hot head, determined to keep the old hatreds alive. There is no way any sensible person would place themselves anywhere near someone like you. Your written violence is enough.

No, you would not be the first blackfeller I have met as I have told you before. You just ignored the fact. I think of those I have known and do know when you rant and rave, and I’m reminded that not all are like you.

As for my explaining why I post, and sitting around waiting – well, the same thing applies to you. As for the “racist bile” you accuse me and others of spitting, that also applies to you. You have never been able to explain just how it is that white people can be racist, but non-whites cannot.

If you have been trying to frighten me off, Ranier, you have been a spectacular failure

CJ Morgan “It's really very simple, Col. Your claim is only valid if you consider Aboriginal people to constitute a "race".”

Then what you are suggesting is, aboriginal people are not a “race”. Then what are they?

A collection of races?

A range of different species?

That aboriginal people associate themselves with their “aboriginality” and non-aboriginals as
“different”, suggests to me that they define themselves as a racially of different race(s).

That aside, it does not alter my argument that anyone who wants to be treated, by virtue of their ethnic origin, differently to others in the nation is a racist.

Rainier “Hang on?? Isn’t this what exists now and is considered normal here in Straya?”

I have no “special privileges” beyond those of any other ordinary citizen.

I have no particular councils to represent me, beyond local council, state and federal parliament, who act for all within their ambit of authority.

I have no particular right to land claims.

I have no special dispensation for government financial subsistence which do not apply to all other Australians.

I would note, I can understand how you are possibly confused, I live in Australia, wherever “Straya” is might have different laws but at least I can write. Your capacity for spelling seems are consistent as your cognitive reasoning skills.

By the way, I did ask before and you have failed to respond, what % aboriginal are you?

“The status quo that Rusty Rouge calls for is the perpetuation of racism and racist policy.”

I have not asked for any “Status Quo” to be perpetuated.

I have requested all Australians be treated equal. That means the special dispensations and rights currently extended to aborigines be with drawn and the “playing field of civil rights” be leveled.

Public welfare is like a drug. The term “enabling” applies to those who support junkies in their addiction.

Aboriginal people will only get “clean” and “sober” when politicians stop “enabling” their addiction to public welfare and make them stand on their own two feet, as is expected of everyone else who is not aboriginal.