HRS, you find reasons to discard commentary which doesn't fit your preconceptions.

Why am I not the least bit surprised.

Desipis,
The male requested that Germaine Greer remove his photo from the front cover of her book, and she did not do it, being so concerned about human rights.

Germaine Greer is also a woman of taste, because she says so.

“I think so. And I think any woman of taste would prefer the 18-year-old Russell Crowe.”

http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/political_transcripts/article_1374.asp

I wonder what would happen to a male professor of a university if they said that a man of taste would prefer an 18 year old girl.

Instant dismissal I would presume. But instead, Germaine Greer was awarded an honorary doctorate from the University of Sydney. It now means that honorary doctorates are now worth nothing. Think about it.

Yvoone,
It is true that feminists rarely have anything positive to say about males, but I have never known a feminist to refuse to take money from a male. Maybe feminists should only take money from women, if men are so objectionable.

It is interesting that you are so negative of me, but you have said nothing about Audrey Apple and her “Boys are made of slime and snails”. Perhaps you find Audrey Apple sexy, with her profanity, gossip and discrimination of children.

I would say bring on gender vilification legislation, and we will see how many feminists are left in the country afterwards.

Turnrightthenleft.
It is very difficult to accept anything from Leslie Cannold who believes so much in abortion and also IVF.

And it is also very difficult to accept something from a website that has slogans such as “I’m a boy on the weekend”, and “I’m not cheap, but I’m on special this week”.

Keep searching.

HRS.

You've flogged the "snips and snails" on Audrey's website quote no less than eight times in directly, and again by indirect references.

It appears nobody else cares about this quote, because everybody else realises it's a joke heading.

You've blown this up to some hyped up slur, just like you blew up 'ilk' to be a slur in another thread.

Again, few thought it was insulting and your repeated attempts to portray yourself or men in general as the victims of a feminist driven society fall on deaf ears - largely because these infantile attempts are transparent.

You say she hasn't cleaned up the website. It's quite clear that this is a passive aggressive way of saying she should censor herself.

This is one of many tactics you've employed, but few are based on reasoning.

Firstly, you keep insisting that others provide evidence to back their case.

This is forcing the onus onto others. Instead of proving your case, you make others prove theirs.

Then you ignore results. In other threads, I presented you with domestic violence statistics.

You ignored them, and demanded figures within a narrow band that you predefined.

In the same way, you insist others find articles from feminists saying positive things about men.

When provided, you again redefine the band. You repeatedly ignore the other evidence.

When articles that say positive things about one man are shown, they don't fit. When articles are shown that criticise feminist articles that are harsh on men, it doesn't fit. When articles are shown that are positive toward men, they're from a 'dissident feminist' and don't fit.

Never mind that all but the fringe accept men have a positive role, so an article pointing out this alone, would be worthless- akin to one that finds women have been known to wear lipstick, or men are capable of driving automobiles.

You also didn't acknowledge that posters on this website identify themselves as feminist, but don't hate men.

Too inconvenient.

Back your own theories instead of wasting other people's time by asking them to provide facts you find ways to ignore.

There's nothing the sock puppet formerly known as Timkins likes better than having his intellectual and emotional betters run around trying to satisfy his puerile demands.

TRTL's patience is admirable, but ultimately he's just feeding a silly little misogynist troll.

James, how in the big wide world could you come to the conclusion that I, or any feminist for that matter, would support discrimination AGAINST men?

You'd be monumentally surprised to know that many feminists have sons and male partners, not to mention fathers. You'll find that many women who call themselves feminist became so because of their father's encouragement and belief that as a female expectations and choices are the same as for their sons.

Your pointer to research done by Kosberg supports my suggestion that men THEMSELVES, all men, not just particular small groups, do not write or research from a man's point of view. It also answers feminists doubts that men are well served. Kosberg came up with very important reasons why the dearth of views from a wider male perspective is detrimental to men.

Kosberg hit the nail fair and square on the head. Men should examine for themselves what it means to be a man. Would you want to have women tell you what it is to be a man? What choices you should have? How you should behave? That is the very basis of feminism-the male gender proscribing what a woman is and what her status should be. Do you really want to swap to how it was for women and now have women do that for men??

Your suggestion that 'men just put their head downs' to escape 'the flack' from women is an insult to men in general. What are you implying here? You leave yourself wide open to cheap shots from which I will refrain.

I have two wonderful young men as sons. One has just spent a hard year as a jackaroo in the Outback, the other has just enlisted as a Reservist in the Army (with quite a bit of spirited argument from his pro-peace mother). I hope this assures you that my men are independent and confident men. I do have to admit they have good male role models in their lives and for some boys that can be a real problem. Females cannot fulfill that role.

TurnRightThenLeft and others...

HRS is a bit nutty, and you rightly admonish him for tying the opinions of what you consider extreme or fringe feminist ideas to slur feminism. But what is the difference between what HRS is doing, and the many many femisinst texts that group all men as one, use violent men or the small percentage of men in positions of power, or stereotypical male traits to slur all men.

I believe HRS, and many other men have taken on these slurs, and been affected by them, and maybe a reason for the bitterness towards feminism.

I know I have felt like I've been asked to apologise for the sins of all men throughout history on many occasions through growing up in this feminist world. I blame my many feminist teachers and feminist mother.

I think that might be why HRS is so riled by the snips and snails.