C. J Morgan,
You appear to present yourself as being a highly ethical, moral and knowledgeable ex-teacher, so would you like to reference some articles written by a feminist that say something positive about the male gender.

There has been everything from men are “cavemen” through to “boys are made of slime and snails”, and these articles seem to be held in high regard by others who also call themselves feminists.

So don’t be shy about coming forward, and please do reference some feminist articles that say something positive about the male gender.

We've been here before HRS. It's about defining who is and isn't feminists and what a positive comment about men is.

Here Leslie Cannold, one of Australia's more prominent feminists, speaks warmly of Steve Irwin - a male.

"It is perhaps testament to the complexity of the Australian character that while Irwin's energy and passion made us anxious, we also admired it. Many, including me, couldn't help but feel terribly fond of Irwin."

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=4889

No doubt you're about to come forward with some reason why it doesn't fit your predefined box.

Or, you could just accept the views of posters on this very thread, that appear before your eyes. Botheration's called herself a feminist plenty of times, and has warm things to say about men.

These people are practically shouting the fact that they're a) feminists and b) don't hate men, at your face, but you refuse to listen. Apparently because you say they're not feminists, they're not.

But no doubt those aren't fitting in your box either.

Heck, even though I'm male I'm perhaps a feminist as well, and I don't subscribe to any of that fringe male bashing. I like men and think the vast majority are decent people.

Of course, t'won't fit into your box either, unless I start hating males.

Or there's this one, from a self described feminist activist: http://www.xyonline.net/Canmenbeallies.shtml

"Gender does not just denote the female gender. Men are also gendered beings, and are affected in negative ways through the social construction of masculinity. Not all men are naturally hypermasculine, aggressive, competitive, and emotionally distant. Men should be bothered about ending women's oppression because it might also be a way of ushering in an alternative masculinity, and for blurring gender boundaries"

No doubt there's some reason why this article doesn't fit either, unless the direct language is along the lines of "men are awesome, don't ever criticism them" it doesn't fit.

This is a tiresome game HRS. People here are telling you they're feminists and they don't subscribe to the man-hating aspects, and that should be enough. Stop ignoring them in your obsessive pursuit.

Turnrightthenleft,

Sorry, 0 out of 2

The first comment by Leslie Cannold only says something positive about one man, and not about the male gender.

The second reference does not say anything positive about the male gender either, and comes from a website with slogans such as “Boys will do boys”, and “Remind Me AGAIN Why I Need A Boyfriend?”

Keep searching, and you may find someone who describes themselves as being a feminist, and has said something positive about the male gender (heterosexual males included).

But back to the topic.

The self-proclaimed feminist Audrey thinks Germaine Greer is “sexy”, but even the male on the cover of Germaine Greer’s book did not find Germaine Greer “sexy”, and wanted his photograph removed.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/17/1066364482598.html

Of course Greer never did oblige, and never did remove his photograph from the cover of her filthy book, because she is a very concerned feminist, and believes so much in human rights.

Rather like Audrey Apple, with her articles under the banner of “Boys are made of slime and snails”, a banner that she has yet to remove.

She probably keeps the banner there, because she is a self-proclaimed feminist and believes so much in human rights also.

HRS,

Looks like you've found a quote yourself. From your link:

"He is disturbed by the nature of Greer's book, which the author says is a celebration of the "evanescent loveliness of boys"."

I do think you have somewhat of a point regarding the feminist attitude towards men, in that they rarely mention positive things about men, or issue that men face. This is primarily because feminism is a movement centered around women's liberation and not stroking men's egos. Of course this leaves their views towards men as a somewhat undefined (or more specifically up to the individual within the movement) and unfortunately can result in people like yourself projecting your misconceived stereotypes onto them.

Thank you R0bert, TLTL and depisis. Feminists when looking at gender issues focus on the feminine (feminine > feminist) of the two genders. As a woman it would be quite presumptuous to speak on the aspect of how masculinity is experienced. We don't know what it is feels like to be a bloke, not even Germaine Greer.

It is very debatable whether men are all well served by how society describes 'masculinity'. It might not only be women who grapple with some issues that confront them because they happen to be that half of the human race that have boobs and a uterus. But then again, maybe it is not confronting or uncomfortable enough for men because so far very little is done by men for men or masculinity.

HRS, stop complaining that feminists are not speaking up for men and boys. Aren't you man enough to speak on behalf of men and boys? Do women have to do everything? Including speaking on your behalf? Let go off your mother's hand, stand on your own two feet.

Jordan I. Kosberg wrote in an article titled "Heterosexual Males: A Group Forgotten by the Profession of Social Work."

Of the studies Mr. Kosberg found about men, half were about homosexuals and most of the rest were about men categorized as abusers, absent fathers, AIDS victims, prisoners or homeless.

"Most males are not delinquent, neglectful, abusers, AIDS victims or gay," Mr. Kosberg wrote. Yet in the last 10 years, "just a handful of studies at best" addressed "normative issues" of males.

This creates an "unfair and untrue" stereotype of heterosexual males, Mr. Kosberg concluded. It also handicaps social workers, leaving them ill-prepared to handle the needs of men related to adolescence, fatherhood, employment, marriage, divorce and aging.

From what I understand is that the vast majority of social workers are women.

So Deepis and Yvonne it would appear that by your recent posts that you support gender discrimination, as long as it is men who are discriminated against.

If sociologists, psychologists, only ever based their research on one gender only, then of course their work will be biased and an inaccurate picture of the complexity of human interaction will occur.

Advocacy research is an example of this.

Yvonne you said that perhaps it is not uncomfortable or confronting enough for men.

I would suggest that most men just keep their heads down, because the flack you guys throw at HRS and myself, most guys are not prepared to face.

"Men like Steve Austin would probably never speak as openly as I do here. I think that - in terms of self-preservation - they are the smart ones. Even as I dumbly write this, I find myself fighting a natural desire to be Mr. Nice Guy and only say pleasing things about the so many lovely ladies in our society.

So why do I risk being inundated with scornful invective from women everywhere?"
http://forum.dadsontheair.com/viewtopic.php?p=16625&sid=2c48af2a5388b76b5284da2d3419dd98

Neil Lyndon's case
http://www.ukmm.org.uk/issues/suppression/nl.htm