Oh Audrey. pat pat pat...

'As for Whitty, women who believe in gender equality and not being valued primarily for their looks are 'unsexy'....so, we shouldn't care about those things for fear that the boys won't like us? '

I didn't say that at all. But I would say that it's a woman's stupid fault if she is so easily influenced by trashy magazines.

My point was that it's as stupid for a woman to get worked up about the content of a forum aimed at titillating men, as it is to get worked up about the content of a feminist forum aimed at encouraging hatred of all things masculine.

In a world where men's space has been invaded by the PC brigade of feminists, and traditional male past times like sport have had all the nasty male violence and complexity taken out to attract a women audience to increase advertising revenue, let us poor guys have some HARMLESS fun. It's all part of the feminisation of men. Men like looking at women's bodies and it has been so since the dawn of time and wont and shouldn't change.

Women can be adult and take responsibility for themselves and stop playing the victim, and choose to accept men as they are and have the courage to be themselves.

Oh Audrey. pat pat pat...

'As for Whitty, women who believe in gender equality and not being valued primarily for their looks are 'unsexy'....so, we shouldn't care about those things for fear that the boys won't like us? '

I didn't say that at all. But I would say that it's a woman's stupid fault if she is so easily influenced by trashy magazines.

My point was that it's as stupid for a woman to get worked up about the content of a forum aimed at titillating men, as it is to get worked up about the content of a feminist forum aimed at encouraging hatred of all things masculine. You're obviously not the target audience, so stop imposing your beliefs on others. It's pointless and egotistical.

In a world where men's space has been invaded by the PC brigade of feminists, and traditional male past times like sport have had all the nasty male violence and complexity taken out to attract a women audience to increase advertising revenue, let us poor guys have some HARMLESS fun.

It's all part of the feminisation of men. Men like looking at women's bodies and it has been so since the dawn of time and wont and shouldn't change.

Women have it in them to be adult and take responsibility for themselves and stop playing the victim, and choose to accept men as they are and have the courage to be themselves.

Dear Audrey Apple, seeker of eternal wisdom and believer in an “ism”.

I must have mistaken your blogsite for some other.

It is true that you have not cleaned up your profane, gossipy, discriminatory and feminist blogsite.

So I apologise, and hope that you have not lost any of your valued readers by this mistake.

The truth is I want to hear you go on about how feminists have secret meetings where they 'privately demand that publications of “the greasy Neanderthals” be banned'. Seriously, you sounded really cool and like you knew heaps about women and the world and stuff when you're were talking about that. Talk about that more.
Posted by botheration, Friday, 11 January 2008 12:02:39 PM

To tell upi the truth Botheration, is that I have noticed a trend thanks to the internet where for example someone or group in Australia tries to introduce changes similar to those already attempted in other countries, whether they have secret meetings I do not know.

a recent example is that in the UK a drunk woman is deemed in capable of giving sexual consent, the next thing to occur is that this is becoming a subject in Australia.

Now in reference to banning men's publications, for example we have gone from have covered magazine covers, to uncovered covers back to covered covers of some mens magazines.

Earlier this century the Office for the Status of Women in Canada published a paper recommending the monitoring of men's groups and the introduction of a law to make it an offense to basically criticise women.

In France it is now illegal to criticise women. If memory serves me correctly this was also tried in Australia and I suspect that sometime in the future it will eventually become law.

Under gender equality to law should by rights also apply to criticism of men, but the way it will written the law will exempt criticism of men from being illegal.

Besides if they made it illegal to criticise men, there would not be enough gaols for all the women.

James wrote: "In France it is now illegal to criticise women... this was also tried in Australia and I suspect that sometime in the future it will eventually become law."

Sorry? Do you have a skerrick of proof, or did you simply invent this? Can you at least give us some references?

Whitty,

Of course men like looking at chicks, and so they should, we're deadset spunks. But that doesn't mean we can't have a conversation about the nature of looking. I don't mind men discreetly checking me out, but I dislike leery drunk guys oggling. I'm not suggesting I control said drunk guys, but I absolutely reserve the right to suggest they sod off. In the same vein, women can be pro-porn (I am - mainly cause I wouldn't deny men's right to it), and still have the right to say exactly what they think of the competitions in Zoo magazine. Including the women who appear in its pages.

I don't think women who publicly discuss porn are motivated by woswerism or fear or victimhood. I think we're reminding men that, while we're sexy creatures, we're also regular human beings, with all strengths and frailties that implies. That's how I think of men - they're gorgeous, but there's more to them than that. And anyone who's ever had a girlfriend who's gone down the porn / sex work route knows that behind the "but it's empowering! I'm choosing to get naked for money!" rhetoric, sadness and dysfunction often lie. Not always, but often.

Audrey strikes me as completely unafraid to be exactly who she is. She's non-compliant. That's why she annoys y'all.

You say: "In a world where men's space has been invaded by the PC brigade of feminists..." & etc

I agree we've made some men feel guilty about liking looking at chicks. We need to fix that, while making sure women aren't exploited by it. (Because, whatever you say, some are.) But your speech here could easily be construed as victim-speak. If I were patronising, I'd say "Oh Whitty, pat, pat, pat..."

http://www.angryharry.com/esOnlyWomenAreToBeProtected.htm

http://www.angryharry.com/eshatespeechagainstwomen.htm

(Sorry? Do you have a skerrick of proof, or did you simply invent this? Can you at least give us some references?)
botheration

"Feminist's in Canada proposed that internet men's groups to be monitored.

"School Success by Gender, A Catalyst for the Masculinist Discourse," by Pierrette Bouchard, Isabelle Boily, and Marie-Claude Proulx.

They stress the urgency for women to "take ownership" of the Internet and demand federal funding and legislative changes that would bring anti-feminist views into the category of criminal hate crime."

As you can see botheration I did not invent this.