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Hard to believe, but apparently even feminists can be sexy … : Comments

By Audrey Apple, published 3/1/2008

'Zoo' magazine’s latest stunt is designed not to, as it argues, appease critics but to poke fun at women who disagree with their childish behaviour.

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Audrey
You can laugh or chuckle or do whatever you want, although I am quite certain that you will be having a serious think about things in a few years time, but by then it is usually too late.

Nature rules, and not Germaine Greer (as many women have eventually discovered)

I see from your blogsite that you must be a very happy camper, and a true believer in equality, with articles such as ”People are Sh_t” and “Boys are made of slime and snails”.

I would attribute this to your hard work and enthusiasm over so many years, that now returns so many rewards. So once again, well done Audrey on your profane and gossipy blogsite (0 out of 10).

James H,
How can someone lecture at a university, but believe in an “ism”, and call themselves an “ist”. It means that they haven’t learnt anything.
Posted by HRS, Wednesday, 9 January 2008 5:14:00 PM
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So is anyone not even slightly offended the competition in Zoo (you know the one that the article was about by Audrey)? How can you seriously compare a handbag competition to one that promotes surgically changing someone?
How about to make it equal Cosmo can have a comp "Help make my boyfriends penis larger!" Then you can complain that we're treating men like objects and we feminist-nazi-whatsits can say "get a sense of humour!"
Posted by lee_ana, Wednesday, 9 January 2008 9:36:21 PM
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oh such pompous words from Audrey Apple (is that a real name?)

I particularly enjoyed “the continued insistence of Zoo to disregard women’s outrage at the sexist and degrading way they both treat and promote femininity.”

And

“joke that’s being had at the expense of feminism, “

Of course, when Zoo used the “great icon” (Germ Greer), they had the temerity to

“deftly reduces the concept of feminism to anti-femininity and the wilfully misuderstood writings”

Audrey you have a Freudian typo there - 'uder' is normally spelt with 2 "Ds"

(in "Zoo" terms, i guess, double "D"s mmmm luverly!)

Well Audrey, it is like this, freedom of speech ensures you get to complain about what you dislike and

Those who dislike what you write can only complain.

I am sure whilst Audrey and her hockey stick swinging friends in feminism privately demand that publications of “the greasy Neanderthals” be banned, they would soon complain if “the greasy neanderthals” could equally ban the writings and publications of the feminists.

Actually “the slap-on-the-back encouragement that you know is coming from the greasy neanderthals that staff these kinds of offices.

Sounds decidedly “sexist” to me.

A whole office of men stereotyped as “greasy Neanderthals”.

It is neither nice nor “lady like” to mock the persperatorily effusive “greasy” ones.

Oh Audrey, I see you have decided to post too, get over it, feminism is not so important as to warrant censoring what you see as Zoo’s bad taste.

The great thing with poor and bad taste, it is only through the existence of the banal that true art can be appreciated.

In that regard, I think Audrey represents the banal and Zoo the true art, but that is my own view.

Whilst I do not expect anyone else to agree with my view I will defend your right to disagree with it because the right to disagree is more important than finding consensus on anything.


Footnote, a quote from Margaret Thatcher (a more iconic female than Germ Greer),

“I owe nothing to Women's Lib.”

Oh boy, how I just love Maggie.
Posted by Col Rouge, Wednesday, 9 January 2008 10:53:01 PM
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Kee_ana
The woman isn’t actually being forced to have a boob job.

I myself am not a great admirer of artificial boobs (look ridiculous and unnatural as far as I am concerned). I often think that most men don’t like artificial boobs either, and it’s the women who want artificial boobs, not the men.

I have found that probably 50% of the women in women’s magazines would have had a boob job or cosmetic surgery. There are also lots of pictures of women with low cut dresses, showing off their often artificial boobs

So why is it that women like to look at pictures of other women with low cut dresses and artificial boobs?

Also why should a loving and wonderful feminist such as Audrey be allowed to say that “Boys are made of slime and snails”., when feminism believes so much in equality of gender.

Is there something wrong for a loving, caring, nurturing and equality believing member of feminism like Audrey to say that “Boys and girls are made of slime and snails”
Posted by HRS, Thursday, 10 January 2008 5:09:01 AM
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Col, wow, I mean, I know this topic required intellectual rigour, but you've gone one step further and brought to it the wit of someone who really enjoys his late night TeleCafe ads. I'm sure I'm not the only lady swooning at your rakish, cor blimey, "tits oot for the lads!" charm. But to be fair, you kindly reigned in your intellectual reach, so at least Audrey can feel secure in the knowledge that you had to invent a position for her (as a censor and book banner, no less!) in order to find something you could argue against. I'm assuming her actual arguments were too tricky for you.

HRS: "I have found that probably 50% of the women in women’s magazines would have had a boob job or cosmetic surgery."

So, you have no idea what Zoo or Maxim are, but you are very au fait with the articles in women's magazines, plus, assuming your percentage rating comes from a statistically valid sample, you have made special study of the models' breasts, trying to work out if they're real or fake. (And those surgeons are clever these days - it requires serious study.) Tell me, do you buy the magazines yourself, or look at the pictures of the models online? Or, even more charmingly, borrow a younger relative's?

I notice your nastiness towards the women on this thread is increasing. Please be careful - this may diminish your ability to cry victim and claim that we are all abusing you with our words, even though - ironically - feminists don't believe in abuse! Also, if you do respond to this, could you be sarcastic? Cause that really works for you.

There's nothing like a feminist article to bring some very bitter men out of the woodwork. Pity. If you could only demount your high horses and wipe those chips off your shoulders you'd find plenty of brainy feminists willing to talk about gender responsibilities.

PS. Don't forget HRS, sarcasm please!
Posted by botheration, Thursday, 10 January 2008 9:27:53 AM
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Oh get over it Audrey!

Face it. Feminism isn't sexy. I'm sure feminist forums take the same amount of fun in how un-sexy many uncouthed men who dare to scratch their own balls are.

Magazines like this only have a voice because of the need for a counterpoint to all the feminist PC drivel a whole generation of guys were brought up with while constantly apologising for being a man.
Posted by Whitty, Thursday, 10 January 2008 10:55:52 AM
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