Both Origin of Species and Das Capital are discredited.

Both in theory and in practice.
In relation to The Orign of Species if anyone thinks their relatives look like apes that is thier problem; not mine. LOL

Hey, Chainsmoker, so you reckon that the Exclusive Brethren could have no effect on us Aussies?

Well, now, but looks like our Johnny Howard is showing effects, because it looked ten days ago that Ruddy Boy had him beat.

But going by that 4-Corners film looks like JH has been getting a spiritual lift.

In fact that film showed me something I didn't know. That the Exclusive Brethren mob that our Johnny treats as normal Libs, is so close to that Fundi' End Days Americana crowd
who put George Dubya in power, they have lifted up our Johnny Boy, as well?

Similar to the Hillsong Church crowd, wouldn't have a bar of any of 'em myself, though could still call myself a bit of a Christian.

Cheers - BB, WA.

Wizofaus,

Thanks for the proper verse. Twain made that quote at a time when most people would have known he was quoting the bible, and would not have made the mistake of attributing the quote to Mark Twain. But what part of "one of the" don't you understand? There's much more to despise about the Left, regardless of my pet-hates.

Dozer,

"There's much more to despise about the Left, regardless of my pet-hates."

Go on Dozer, tell us about them and make a fool of yourself.

I'd rather spend time with a humanist "leftie" than a bible-bashing "rightie". At least the leftie has a real grasp on mortality and not some superstitious dreams about how the world will end and some spook will come to save them !! |-)

Where to begin… religion...

After escaping from fundamentalist hell, it sooned became apparent that my conversations with the tolerant left appeared almost as frustrating and futile as my "conversations" with my fundamentalist family. The biggest problem with fundamentalist religion is that it controls its followers through the crippling fear that they might go to hell; It's not just gays and Buddhists who are going to hell, everyone is. One slip up- you let your mind dwell on the short skirt in front of you- a false step crossing the road- and you end up in hell for all eternity. But many people on the left don't see this. They harp on about how fundamentalism isn't tolerant of other religions, supports GWB, hates homosexuals and opposes abortion, as though if it could only be modernized, there would be nothing wrong with it.

In short, you don't oppose Fundamentalist Christianity because what it believes is nonsense. You oppose it because it's politically incorrect. I thought once I escaped from the fundies that I could live a life governed by science, logic and reason, yet my tolerant, open-minded leftist friends believe in all sorts of crazy ideas like karma, reiki and chakras, and are blown away by inane books by James Redfield and Dan Brown.

Many on the left are blind to the danger posed by Islam. We are continually reminded that Islam is a religion of peace, and and are admonished for demonising it. Indeed it is a religion of peace, a religion which defines "peace" as "submission." Islam teaches that there will be peace when the whole world has either converted to, or submitted itself to, Islam, ie, Pax Islamica.

But although fair and rational criticism of Christianity is allowed and encouraged, as evidenced by this thread, similar, warranted, criticism of Islam is not allowed, and dismissed as culturally insensitive.

Thus, after September 11, rather than having the moral, intellectual and physical courage to face the real danger, many on the left have heaped the blame upon their own, upon the West. The day after the 9/11 attacks, the caring socialists

at Uni plastered flyers all over campus, showing the burning towers next to the rhetorical “What does this mean for the anti-capitalist movement?” Next day, flyers proclaimed “This is the result of US imperialism!” It’s America’s support for Israel, the overthrow of governments in the Middle East and South America, it’s corporations, black slavery, the genocide of indigenous populations. Above all, we deserved it because of all the starving people in the world, who we made starve.

The most stupid comment I ever heard was made the week of the London bombings in 2005, by someone who could not understand why Tony Blair was so angry: Never mind that they occured the day after the G8 announced that it would cancel the debt of the world’s 15 poorest countries. Let’s make this very clear: Islamist Terrorists don’t give a pig’s ass about the plight of AIDS affected starving orphans in Zaire.

To top it all off, no sooner did I escape from an evil religion that taught “some superstitious dreams about how the world will end and some spook will come to save them,” than supposedly rational, secular people start attaching themselves to similar doomsday prophecies about the end of the world. I do not consider myself a climate change skeptic, but I find it disturbing that each new prediction of the world’s firy end is treated with unquestioning zeal by the Left. It fits in perfectly to the narrative the Left has created for us, whereby we are all guilty for the privileged life we enjoy in the West. Now our very existence, and everything we do, is destroying the planet. We are made to feel guilty merely for being. The left’s own self-hatred is transferred to the whole of Western society.

At least I can see what’s going on. I’ve escaped the guilt trap of both fundamentalist Christians and weak, insipid Leftists. There are plenty of good, right-wing humanists in the world. The ultimate lie you tell is that morality and caring is the exclusive domain of the Left. You will never achieve anything worthwhile.

I hate you.