C J Morgan, my years of study tell me to try and take the middle-road regarding the present Palestinian problem between Israelies and Arabs as it stands.

However, I certainly agree with you that the main blame, unfortunately lies with big power authority.

Sadly, it is towards Pax America where we now must point the finger, a nation proven by its rhetoric before the shock of 9/11, that the 21st Century was to be America's own.

Certainly not fit language for a nation that is now unipolar, proving that the United Nations headquarters should now be shifted to someplace totally neutral, the UN itself not dominated by one single power, as Immanuel Kant gave voice to way back near the end of the 1700s regarding a necessary multi-polar world governing body to preserve Perpetual Peace, never a unipolar entity.

An article of faith to regard the Israel state as right and legitimate and deserving of our support? Not bloody likely! The murdering swine that have dished out a never ending litany of vileness to the legitimate occupiers of Palestine, and their fellow traveller bible bashing right wing christian zionists, deserve the utmost condemnation from those of us who value life above religious dogma and abhore mindless sectarian violence and brutality. The wave of justifiable sympathy for the Jewish people that followed the revelations of Nazi atrocities has long been used up.
Unfortunately, condemnation is all that we can offer - there seems little liklehood that the Palestinian cause will devlop real political legs in australia - we are too busy providing oblique zionist support by invading Iraq to be bothered with details such as genocide in Palestine.

... from prior post.

Israel can be changed to "a light unto the nations", a region with Hebrew and Arabic as official languages, a region where there is no law on matters of religious belief, rather than the current situation where "the 2,000-year struggle for Jewish survival comes down to a state of settlements, run by an amoral clique of corrupt lawbreakers who are deaf both to their citizens and to their enemies" (Avrham Burg, A failed Israeli society is collapsing: The end of Zionism?, International Herald Tribune, Saturday, September 6, 2003. Avrham Burg was speaker of the Knesset from 1999 to 2003.)

Ultimately people must not betray their common humanity to sectional interests - including their own sectional interests. They must be able to apply a sense of universality to all situations. One of these, a basic feature to any modern person, is to support the separation of church and state. Another, a basic feature to any democratic person, is to support equal rights to all people regardless of colour, ethnicity or creed. To the extent that Israel does not support the separation of church and state and to the extent that Israel does not grant equal rights to all people under its jurisdiction, is the extent that Israel is not a secular, democratic state. Rather it is one based on 'hafrada', or in the language of the Afrikaans, 'apartheid'.

cf., Uzi Ornan, Apartheid Laws in Israel - The Art of The Obfuscatory Formulation, Ha'aretz, 17 May 1991: "By studying them one cannot fail to reach a conclusion, which cannot but be embarrassing to many of us: namely, that Israel is an Apartheid state, and the Apartheid not only manifests itself socially, but that it is also embedded in the legal system.

Desmond Tutu, Apartheid in the Holy Land, Monday April 29, 2002
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/comment/0,10551,706911,00.html

You're an angry one GYM-FISH.
Israel exists today by UN mandate by God Mandate.
If you knew your bible you would know the Jewish history and that will never leave that part of the world even when Christ gets back. They will never leave their land again or be displaced.
They have their army, one of the finest, and they have God as their Protector.
The Phillistines will just have to wear it, as will each one of us.

There is a bit of a myth surrounding the history of the establishment of the state of Israel.

One would think that the world magnanimously gave them some barren, empty land to call their own.

The original post-WW2 plan was to simply partition British-controlled Palestine into two states – one Jewish and one Palestinian - to provide a safe haven for refugees, with the city of Jerusalem to be controlled by the UN.

Israel later declared ITSELF to be a sovereign nation after the British withdrew from Palestine and after a series of terrorist attacks – by Israel against US interests - later occurred in an attempt to break down relations between the US and Egypt.

A series of wars and further seizures and occupations of territory were undertaken on the premise that they were in self-defence and refusals to abide by numerous UN resolutions to withdraw have followed ever since.

I thinks it’s time they stopped playing the perennial victim of some sort of everlasting persecution and exploiting the deaths of millions sixty-odd years ago and faced up to their own responsibilities to live within the constraints of International Law.

Today, they are technically a Failed State and would find it difficult to even exist without the external support of other nations. They employ numerous international political lobby groups and historically have proven to be as much an aggressor as a victim.

While it’s true they are in the midst of hostile neighbours, they should acknowledge that they must share much of the blame for that hostility.

I'm waiting for the day that Scientologists produce a document that says that thousands of years ago, Xenu granted them and all their decendants - all the Real Estate in downtown New York.

A precedent exists.