A ground stone of all these hamases is annihilating of a Jewish state in Palestine (see Al-Jazeera's foruma, for instance).

Following up this notion, any short-term agreement is possible to reach a final solution locally.

Therefore, establishing an Arab-Palestinian entity seen by many to great extent both resolving the internal Israeli problems and allowing an appropriate response towards islamists under umbrella of so-called international law.

The Jews and Israel are always scapegoats for fat cats of any religion neighboring.

That is why presence of any agreement has nothing to do with Israeli military capabilities in the future.

There also seems to be a misconception out there that all Palestinians or indeed the inhabitants of all Middle Eastern Countries except Israel are Muslims. This is absolutely not true. I'm not sure what the mix is, but there is certainly a significant number of Christians plus others.

David

Well,

As Paul.l is not a Zionist, it seems we can talk. And as he has come down from his corresponding pole, so shall I. He has stated he 'believe(s) Israel has no right to keep the West Bank and the Gaza Strip', so we have common ground. I much prefer this kind of discussion.

Israel has to make the first move, because Israel made the first move in occupying modern Palestine in 1967. The Occupation is the original sin, so the Palestinians need to see Israel pull out to start rebuilding the trust. I understand how Hamas and others will see this, but this is Israel's doing and she must wear it. It will be seen as a victory, and it will be. A victory for justice and international law.

As I've said, Israel's only path to permanence is regaining the moral and legal high ground. By ending the Occupation, and siging the Arab Peace Accord, she regains international legitimacy. What this does to Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other violent groups is to deny them any form of legitimacy. Resisting the occupation is legally and morally correct, and while I abhor their tactics, they have the right; the Israeli occupation is much worse. Drain the pond my friend, and then catch the fish.

Once Israel ends the Occupation, sets a legal border and rejoins the family of nations, as I said, I change sides overnight. If Hamas then attacks a legal nation, Israel has every right to go in and smash that hornet's nest. If they do it now, they are only perpetuating the Occupation. Afterwards, they would be a sovereign nation defending their people, and no-one would deny them their right.

As much as I dislike traitorous Fatah, give Abbas everything. Turn the West Bank over to him (all of it) with Jordanian help. Then Hamas would be totally isolated, denied their base as the resistance, and they will fold.

America won’t let this happen, peace in the Middle East is not in their interest.

Charity starts at home. Sin is bowing to demands for some altering a direction a separation wall is being built the Israel Highest Court had demonstrated rather than occupation of territories never belonging to any Palestine/Arafatia but a nest of murderers-terrorists not much better treating the Arabs-Christians traditionally feeling resettlement towards the Jews-“Christ killers”.

And Arabic Accord offered recently, mentioned above is as much practical and livable as an exchange of messages on this page for establishing peaceful Jewish-Arabian co-existence - and in Palestine.

A false perception exists that Israeli Jews are European. This is wrong. The majority of Israeli Jews are Middle Eastern, originating from those who were expelled from most of the Arab States after the establishment of Israel. Not only was it deemed criminal to be Jewish - and remains so to this day, but the governments also confiscated private homes, businesses, public hospitals, schools, synagogues, and other public centres belonging to Jews. Many Jews were allowed to take little more than the shirts on their backs. These Jews were the same people who had always been a presence in the Middle East.

Egypt’s delegate told the UN General Assembly: “The lives of one million Jews in Muslim countries would be jeopardized by partition”
(New York Times, November 25, 1947)

... and so it came to pass.

The number of Jews fleeing Arab countries for Israel in the years following Israel’s independence was nearly double the number of Arabs leaving Palestine. Of the 820,000 Jewish refugees between 1948 and 1972, 586,000 were resettled in Israel at great expense, and without any offer of compensation from the Arab governments who confiscated their possessions
(A. Avneri, The Claim of Dispossession, 1984, p. 276)

Israel has consequently maintained that any agreement to compensate the Palestinian refugees must also include Arab reparations for Jewish refugees. To this day, the Arab States have refused to pay anything to the hundreds of thousands of Jews who were forced to abandon their property before fleeing those countries. Through 2005, at least 115 of the 774 UN General Assembly resolutions on the Middle East conflict (15 percent) referred directly to Palestinian refugees. Not one mentioned the Jewish refugees from Arab countries.
(Jerusalem Post, December 4, 2003).

Regarding Wiki research about Israel. Having queried an item which appeared on their site, I was informed:

“The Wikipedia quotes are an example of the weakness of this open source; it can be edited by anyone. Many anti-Israeli groups manipulate this information online trying to re-write history”

Therefore, any information appearing on Wiki regarding Israel has to be treated with suspicion. This would need cross checking with other references, preferably with primary sources - indeed normal procedure with any material, whatever its source.

I am not quite sure what you imply but “an intellectually-minded Israel” compared with other Islamic peoples in the Middle East. Yes, indeed Islamic fundamentalist/terrorist groups are a grave problem to Israel, but so are they to other Muslims. However, Arab countries are not without intellectuals and writers, etc. who condemn the activities of these maniacs, whilst also supporting Israel.

However, Bushred, as Arab countries are among the most wealthiest in the world, but also are among those with the highest level of iliteracy, I agree this can cause a problem if the majority can be swayed with propoganda. I believe that a series based on the fallacious “Protocals of the Wisdom of Elders” has been shown in some Arab states. As most know the original was a satire by Joly about Bonoparte’s ambitions, devoid of any content regarding Jews. This has since been adopted, altered and added to with fabrications by Russia’s police earlier in the 20th century, and by every other anti-semitic lunatic.

As to non-Arab Iran, do check the following site established by dissidents. This will provide an idea of what Iranian intellectuals and academics are saying about their country’s regime, and terrorism, whilst giving their whole hearted support of Israel.
http://www.activistchat.com/