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Palestinian terror and Israeli nobility : Comments

By Antony Loewenstein, published 24/8/2007

Today, it is perhaps not Australian Jews but the Palestinian victims of an illegal, brutal military occupation that deserve sympathy.

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Daniella,

I cannot say "the West said nothing":

A military spokeswoman confirmed the Israeli army has asked the French network for its full unedited video material from the shooting. "The IDF is dealing directly with the network on the issue," the spokeswoman said on condition of anonymity under military guidelines.
Speaking in New York, spokeswoman Maj. Avital Leibovich confirmed the military got involved because of a lawsuit involving French media watchdog Philippe Karsenty, who accused France 2 and its Israel correspondent, Charles Enderlin, of staging the shooting.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070917/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_boy_s_death

Practical Australian anti-Semitism -that is, for instance, qualifying local Jews in particular areas only and employing, if at all, for particular employers only- is nothing special for "the West" and it is a real support to islamists-both in the Middle East and locally in Australia.
Posted by MichaelK., Thursday, 20 September 2007 12:50:41 PM
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MichaelK

The issue of the shooting has been debated from all sides - even from scientific experts (who said that an Israeli bullet could not have been the cause) , and undoubtedly will be continue to be debated. Anyone who has been in combat will explain that bullets can ricochet off objects. Sadly this father and son were caught up in a combat action.

In all my many years, I personally have never known any Jews to employ Jews over others - unless in a family-run business, which would be normal in any group. Undoubtedly this would occur in Muslim family businesses also. I have known Jews who are very involved in helping, what Australia calls, "illegal immigrants", many of whom are Muslim.

When I was first starting out in the workforce in this country, I came across formal discrimination against Jews and Catholics. An applicant had to complete a form stating whether they were either - if so, they were denied an interview. In those days, this was commonplace in the media. Not now.

During the Bosnian crisis, Israel was the first to offer asylum to Bosnian Muslims; and Israel also offered asylum to a group of Vietnamese boat people, whom no-one would admit to their country.
Posted by Danielle, Thursday, 20 September 2007 4:11:35 PM
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It is hard to quarrel with you that the Jews try being more anti-Semitic sometimes than even anti-Semites are – a story of a Jewish footballer is a good example of.

However, in Australia, it is much more easy for a Jew to pass through a needle head than being both qualified from a range of professions and taken on somewhere in mainstream company as I hardly estimate “family business” a practical solution to the university-educated skilled professionals is.

Nothing special, given the attention to usual hypocrisy and inequality at the top level worldwide:
http://www.unhchr.ch/huricane/huricane.nsf/view01/8A389CD6C26F617EC125735C0077BB43?opendocument
Posted by MichaelK., Sunday, 23 September 2007 4:14:37 PM
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MichaelK

I don’t think you quite grasped what I meant about the issues surrounding the Jewish footballer. But it does not matter.

I can’t agree with you that it is easier for a Jew to enter professions, than it is for any other group in society. Most businesses or professional organisations wouldn’t know if they were employing a Jew or not. The main concern of any business or professional body is purely financial and pragmatic - getting the best person for the job. If you know of any abuse where a Jew is employed over others, just because he is a Jew and not based on merit, then you should take it to the Equal Opportunity Board.

Israel has trucked into Gaza, tons and tons of humanitarian aid, at great risk to themselves.

Nevertheless, I read the link you provided and I agree.

Yet, the cause is the constant rocket fire into Israel; if these terrorist groups had any feeling towards their own people, they would desist. They can simply stop the rocket fire. But they won’t. They will worsen the situation for propoganda.

In addition, I have not heard any Human Rights group come out and protest in very strong terms the human rights abuses inflicted on the Palestinians by the Hamas and other similar organisations during the past. This is incomprehensible.

Regards
Posted by Danielle, Sunday, 23 September 2007 7:04:15 PM
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Danielle,

I do not suggest that "it is easier for a Jew to enter professions" in Australia, but quite opposite, wich at the end of the pipe does agree with your personal opinion although sometimes I feel my plain English is out of one's grasp definitely.

Worked and studied with females from the Arab world, I know they assume world and meanings differently even what their native males do/speak of. It is especially common in a Muslim world for non-explainable to/by me reasons and that is why a UNHRC statement does not wonder me at all – and you did, as I'd comprehended.

The question remains, what is a practical possibility for a two-state solution to prevent military out-busts in the future if a puppy-state for the Arabs of Palestine be arranged at last?
Posted by MichaelK., Monday, 24 September 2007 12:32:06 PM
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Hi MichaelK

Whilst the west, and the media, does not condemn the activities of the Hamas, and other terrorist goups in the loudest possible way, Hamas activities will worsen. Arab intellectuals condemn this. They state that these groups are encouraged by the West’s seeming tolerance of them - almost seeing them as freedom fighters (which they are not). Anything Israel does to defend itself, either politically or defensively, is used by Hamas as propoganda. We have seen how OLO members condemn Israel - and unless they can suggest a solution which is fair to both Israel and the ordinary Palestinian people, they are part of the problem.

The disputed territory between Israel and Palestine should be put aside until a Palestinian State is established - which should be immediate. The following good-will between Israel and Palestine, would see an amicable resolution of this territory. Not one involving weapons; a solution might be that the peoples living there have dual nationality Israeli/Palestinian. Whatever ... But it is counter-productive and illogical to wait until this terroritory, a small area, is resolved, before setting up the Palestinian State.

The declaration of, and infrastructure of a Palestinian State should start now. This possibly means a UN Peace-keeping force in place to prevent Palestinian terrorist groups killing other Palestinians, and preventing terrorists sending rockets into Israel. Wealthy countries of the West, and Arab States should provide solid financial aid, and also expertise. Israel could also provide necessary expertise.

Why do the Palestinians have to wait another 40+ years? Palestinian terrorist groups such as Hamas and like terrorist groups have demonstrably shown have no interest in the well-being of their own people. Terrorist groups operating in this area are puppets of other States ... and this will continue and worsen ...

The West has to be proactive instead of standing by and wringing their collective hands... and blaming Israel. If the West refuses to acknowledge the real situation, the cost to all, including the West will be enormous.

cont ...
Posted by Danielle, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 4:54:06 PM
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