So, aqvarivs, on the one hand, I criticise your claim and then summarise your claim as "crap". On the other hand, you refuse to argue against any criticism of your posts, and instead go off on wild and totally unsubstantiated fantasies about who I am and what I, and "people like bushbasher", believe. And you regard this as equivalent, just the dishing and the taking?

The fact that you can be so obtuse is exactly the reason why trying to argue with you is futile. Maybe you can reason, but in fact you don't. You simply obfuscate and slur, which is pointless and boring.

bushbasher, accusation is not criticism and I have no wish to be decent with individuals who suggest that their accusations are polite commentary. Your introduction to me was not polite commentary or inquisitive conversation. It was punk and had nothing to do with my previous post.
"aqvarivs, are you seriously accusing the civil rights groups of embarking upon the "Us versus Them" tactic? What planet have you been on for the last 10 years, while Howard and his thugs have been demonising anybody convenient to demonise? Christ, go ahead and debate the worth and application of terror laws, but please don't make crap up."

my post had nothing to do with civil rights groups. Nothing I wrote in any way relates to that attack. You got what you asked for. Or you would have used better style. Misrepresenting what I did post to give yourself justification to attack my entry is not clever argument. It gets you a kick in the literary nuts.

If you want reasoned argument you must first provide a counter argument not "what? Are you stupid." intermingled with Howard bashing.

aqvarivs, it is true that you didn't refer to "civil rights groups". You referred to "the promotion of the Us versus Them mentality from these people consumed with the rights of suspected criminals". Was I insufficiently accurate in the category of people you were describing? Possibly. But I think you're belatedly splitting hairs to avoid the real issue I raised, which is who does actually make use of the Us versus Them tactic. In this context, raising Howard and his Government is not bashing, but a valid comparison to make. I'm sorry if you think my posts added nothing: others - I guess "people like bushbasher" - seem to disagree.

Regarding the "decent" treatment of me, I couldn't care less. But you're not treating me at all. You're treating a fantasy in your own mind. Again, why you think anybody but yourself might find this valuable or entertaining simply escapes me.