The usual chicanery from a less than competent lawyer who resorts to argumentum ad hominem to blacken Hirsi Ali's reputation since he is unable to cerebrally construct any reasonable arguments against her. This is another intellectually discredited argument added to his long record.

But he can be amusing! Does Irfan expect Westerners to be "lovers of Islam" when they are not only the subjects of the infinite hate of the true believers of Islam, but whose lives are also in peril?

See for more:http://www.con.observationdeck.org

I find most of the way we think of muslim fait as 7th cetury that wat is it .They still live in 7th century and its they religion .As faitful they belive all the propacanda ,the leaders will tel them .No matter what the results even war its only way they can control the population of they country .And way they do is only the top 10% of the islamic right wing of polotics is making the decisions and the rest are just like me and you folow the leder , they dont have any say in the prosess of law making or any ather say in law making .If we can aradicate the top imans of the islamic world we will be better of and have a chaenge of freeing the world of tyrany

Kaktuz, Coach and Boaz ‘brothers’

Thanks Kaktuz, ‘quitting’ is not in my dictionary : -)

My last 2 comments proved to yourselves that there are lots of scholars leading and influencing the modernization of Islamic teachings (such as Gulen that you, Kaktuz, admitted to have attended). About a dozen of scholars like Gulen and Amr Khaled have influenced close to 200 Million Muslims. The question is:

You claim to be concerned with ‘Islam modernization’ and religious harmony, prove it:

- why we don’t see you quoting or referring us to these thinkers and authors? there an Aussie Muslims organisation called Affinity:
www.affinity.org.au. Why aren’t you promoting their sites, assisting their efforts or donating for their causes?

To keep quoting the Saudi version of teachings is an oxy-Moran. Wahabism is a 10-15millions at best around the world; they are loud because they are very well funded not because they are popular.

- while you are concerned with the Wahabis, what are you doing about the 'nutters in your backyard' like the Christian Zionism?
Aren’t they as funded and as dangerous with the 20,000 nukes and praying for Jesus to let them ‘push the button for Armageddon’?
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/106/story_10687_1.html

I can’t speak for other audience, but for me you proved to be a bunch of haters sitting in a cave with candles and matches and instead the three of you are sitting yakking and cursing the dark.

Leigh,

“I think that Irfan Yusuf, Fellow Human and other Muslims have a mission to push their religion like a commodity, unlike most adherents of other religions who are content to live according to their beliefs but keep it private and in its place”

Over the last 2 years on OLO, I have never pushed my faith on you or anyone as you claim. I only comment when addressed, misquoted or to correct a mis-representation. You are free to object to Islam in Australia as you claim, but it’s unfair to accuse me of something I haven’t done to you or others.

Peace as always,

The imortality of Islam is a lie, just like the Christian version.The only thing that really matters is survival in the context of our present state of consciousness.Where were you before birth? Death is like pre-birth and most of us don't have the capacity to accept it.

The reality is the urgency of our own survival and religion is the drug of those who find the present reality too unpalitable.

Pay homage to the new god called science and technology,because it is only the true and faithful religion that has freed us from ignorance and poverty.

"I think that Irfan Yusuf, Fellow Human and other Muslims have a mission to push their religion like a commodity ..."

Yes, Leigh, we are part of the big gigantic Islamic conspiracy to convert you. We know where you live, and we follow you everywhere. We will use every opportunity to push our devious sinister agenda down your throat. You'd better grab that fridge magnet Mr Howard gave you and call the hotline to dob us in. Otherwise, our conspiracy will succeed.

There is, of course, another option. You can take those pills you have been prescribed and get some much-needed rest.

FH. I had to smile when you said a) "I have not promoted my faith" ... and then the deuzy b) "I only speak to correct misconceptions" kind of thing.

This is Australia mate... you cannot put 2 shovels against a fence and say 'take your pick' and expect us to look cofused. By doing 'b', you are in fact doing 'a'.

I contend that your 'correcting misconceptions' is in fact sanitizing a faith, and trying to make it less repulsive and more acceptable.

You could have searched out yourself, the diamonds of spiritual truth in Jesus of Nazereth "Before Abraham was.. I AM" and when He uttered these words.. a claim to divinity no less, the Jews tried to stone him for blasphemy.
I assume you have read this in Johns Gospel, but have for reasons known only to yourself 'rejected' it. Ahmad deedat and Zakir Naik don't reject the words, they don't claim they are 'corrupted' scriptures, they in fact use them, but claim a different understanding, or interpretation which is altered by an Islamic filter. ie. they reject the plain and obvious truth, on dogmatic grounds not evidential.

Jesus response to you, the Jews, Deedat and Naik is the same:

John 10:37

"Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. 38But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."

We don't need Hirsi Ali. We have Jesus of Nazareth. Son of God, God the Son.

It might not make sense to your logical mind (or mine) but as the blind man healed said "As to whether this man is a sinner, I don't know, but one thing I know, once I was blind, but now....I see"