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Darling of cultural warriors : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 29/6/2007

Can't the Islam-haters out there find a more credible 'insider' to promote their cause than Ayaan Hirsi Ali?

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Since Israel wasn't given form by the League of Nations/United Nations until 1948 it is a bit disingenuous to suggest "It took a long time for Christian nations took this step," as if Israel preceded other nations in giving religions equal rights under law.
Not that I begrudge you pitching for your team but, a curve ball is still a curve ball all teams aside.

I don't know how I stumbled onto this site but found a few interesting bits. Especially on conversion, learning Arab, and more so on the question of 'Do I tell my parents?' Those who want to read it I leave to your own perception.
http://www.islamicinvitationcentre.com/FAQ/converts/FAQ_converts.html
Posted by aqvarivs, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 9:11:27 AM
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Logic,

The answer to your trivia lies in one question: Who do you think Jesus really is?

Your choices:

a) Liar
b) Lunatic
c) Lord of All

On the basis of 'a' and 'b', you could continue to compare Him with other good teachers, gurus, prophets, etc...

But once you examine the evidence of His claims, analyse His character, study Jewish history, biblical and prophetic accounts, etc... You must come to one honest conclusion that Jesus is The Messiah who's Name is above all names; in fact Jesus is Lord of ALL, part of the Triune Jehovah God Himself.

Yes, Christianity is unique and should not be compared with the smorgasbord of man-made beliefs, and superstitions out there.

Christianity is based on a loving God intimately relating with His creation. And not an invisible force out there programming people to worship him with a bunch of rules, superstitions, and religious principles.

If you want to put the good old PC “intolerant” label on that, it's your choice, but I prefer to call it "incomparable".

I encourage you to seek the 'singular' truth in this matter and not rely on your own Logic. The stakes are too high to be trivialised.
Posted by coach, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 11:41:09 AM
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Coach, why only three choices?

Indeed, you have forgotten to mention the bleeding obvious fourth choice. That is, the Gospels are not historical accounts but are in fact mythological accounts. The Gospels are not factual histories but Jewish fable telling done Greco-Roman style.

The same applies to early Islamic history. Separating real history from myth and fable is virtually impossible when the Hadith and Ibn Ishaq are viewed objectively.

In short, the monotheistic texts are founded on gross distortion of the facts. This gross distortion may be well meaning or accidental, but a gross distortion none-the-less.
Posted by TR, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 12:05:16 PM
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aqvarivs,

Judaism formed this enlightened view in ancient Israel BEFORE the birth of Jesus when the Jews had their own land. I believe the Buddhists always held this opinion, also long BC.

coach

TR has put forward his views. I think that Jesus was probably a Jewish scholar with a sound understanding of Jewish principles of the time, but the Gospels are either distorted or plain wrong.

How much of Christianity was changed at Nicea?
Posted by logic, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 6:26:14 PM
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What about

D. Just a Naughty Boy.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 7:06:53 PM
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Most likely E.

Just another case of schizophrenia, as we now know it, a
fairly common mental disorder.

Hearing voices used to be linked to being prophetic, today
we understand a bit more about it. But then the same
applies to thunder, lightening etc, they all played a
role in various religions, until we understood a bit
more about them. Gods of the gaps have been around for
a long time and make evolutionary sense in terms of
brain function.

Believing in perceived certainty helps deal with anxiety
for some, assisting in homeostasis of brain chemistry,
which is crucial. Whether its actually true or not,
really does not matter, thats another issue.

As they say "whatever gets you through the night" :)
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 8:32:41 PM
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