I agree with one of Belly's comments. Pell is exactly the same as the ex Mufti. Just selfish men trying to bully people through their beliefs.

As to Muslims in Australia, there are many issues really. One of course is the freedom to pursue your own beliefs. That's excellent if it's practiced by anyone. As we all know it is not.

Australia is a Christian based country. Regardless of Irfan and others claiming the early settlers were actually hordes of Muslims etc most of us do know the facts. Muslims were rare in this country until recent years.

Today there are an increasing number of Muslims and many find more in Islam than Christian faiths. Their choice. I select neither. My "God" lives in me, nowhere else.

But when you get down to it there is one fact that must be highlighted.

That is that these two religions do not live together. You do recall they havbe been fighting for over 2000 years don't you? Over Jerusalem. Over a Jew named Jesus. Fighting over religion. A good look for peace, love and understanding. Not. That's all it is, there's no intent to spread peace and goodwill even though most followers of both do want that.

It's the minority that are extreme and as usual they run the show as the rest of us can't be bothered to oppose what they say and do.

Irfan appears to be one of the worst exponents of this and the fact that OLP prints his rants tells me that OLP too is a guilty party simply through trying to chase visitors to come here. OLP don't care that they are promoting violence and more. They just want visitors.

Horus,

Thanks for your response.
"you appeared to be raising on a weak hand in hopes that all other players would fold Nawwartina!"

If you followed my threads you will see above statement is far from true. I am contributing mainly in response to people who claim to follow your faith (Boaz, others)and all they are obssessed with it to mock or inspire fear and hate. You of all people should know but you chose to join the lynch mob with your silence.

I am an Australian muslim and proud to be so. I don't turn my back on my history or heritage. Like every culture I believe Arabic and / or Islamic cultures had its good and bad moments but I am not going to 'roll on the floor laughing' instead of contributing with educational facts and figures on whats positive. I am not here to judge you or others, you have the right the right to turn your back on your heritage but don't judge me and don't resent me for standing by my views and opinions.

Peace,

"If you followed my threads you will see above statement is far from true. I am contributing mainly in response to people who claim to follow your faith (Boaz, others)and all they are obssessed with it to mock or inspire fear and hate." - Fellow-Human

I have noticed this condition from BOAZ too. Also, I have asked him of several thread some very direct questions on theology and he just ignores these questions, content to pursuea quest rather than a fourm debate/interchange.

Fear and hate have long be the tools of Christianity especially between to fourth to eighteen centuries. There really was a lag from the Enlightenment. Possibly from the Dawkin to Dawkins there has been a counter movement against science by powerful religionists, trying to re-establish church hieracharies and the monopology over knowledge or should I say ignorance or counter-knowledge.

Irfan,
As an Australian not living in Australia, and as somebody who more or less liked all your OLO articles (until this one), could you please give me a link and exact quote of what you call “Dr Pell’s outburst”?

I found on the web all sorts of quotes and comments concerning Cardinal Pell and the embryonic stem cell research/legislation, but I could not identify that part of his public announcements a decent Muslim, that I hold you to be, could call an outburst.

Hey Oliver.. there is a story about this pastor.. after the sermon, he was standing outside, and the worshippers were coming out single file, and one of them criticized him.
Some years later, when the subject of criticism came up, he realized that he remembered that person, but forgot all the others:).. now.. I'm in anguish because you criticized me:).. what questions mate?

If I ignored you I certainly apologise as it was not deliberate. Your posts tend to be rather voluminous and closely spaced so I might have missed my name.

HERE I AM.. ask away.

YVONNE.. glad we agree on something :)
check this out mate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u0EanCr2UA&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD190HVYHUI&mode=related&search=
(You'll love Choudery's remarks about women)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfIUKmd20tc&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9otrfo1SZg&mode=related&search=
Take careful note of what the palestinian imam says about 'ruling the world'.
This is the closest thing to National Socialism rebranded I can see in the world today.

HAMAS/fatah. The events unfolding before our very eyes this day..HAMAS seeking full control of Gaza.... captured Fatah security compound. At the root of HAMAS is their charter.
http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html
scroll to Part III, Article 11 have a read.

FH and IRF are rather irrelevant, tame... their mob will be running from the Hamas types who come to them by night with threats.
Slowly, the character of the Muslim community will morph...into......

B-D,

Thanks for your response. Just one for starters, it is midnight here and its been a long day. Incidently, more a case of "perceived" absence.

Were one to put aside Jesus' alleged end-game. Look at his like as a human. He was a pacificist, an excellent speaker onhiscause and died a martyr. If you were to read his story as a biography, why would he not be seen as a self-actualised preacher-healer and somehow caught up in politics and executed [I would dispute the Passover, but that is another story]. Many men and women have stood out from the crowd and paid the ultimat price. Divinity aside, what was extra-extra special about the historical Jesus? His human life?

Cheers,

O.