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Why Hilali must go, and go now : Comments

By Manny Waks, published 17/4/2007

Absurdity has turned into reality in the serial drama that envelops Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali.

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The teaching is that on “judgment day” the dead will arise from the sea and we will all be called upon.
OK, lets see, all those who so far died in the last 2000 years all still have to face judgment day. Besides it going to be darn crowded it means none so far have gone to “hell”, as if they did already then they would not have to wait for “judgment day”.
Considering all those who died at sea, we better have drying facilities available as they all will be soaking wet when coming onto land. Are they all going to be sorted as to when they died, by age of dead, gender, etc?
Those dead for so long, what will they have been doing between time of dead and judgment day? Did they get a preview of “hell” only to found to have been wrongly sentenced? Gosh, it’s like the Court system, where people are wrongly convicted. Surely, GOD would manage to do better and know who is guilty or innocent and so why would he let someone wait for some 2,000 odd years to face “judgment date”?
Now, once there has been a judgment day, then no matter where you will end up it will be darn crowded. Once you dead you do not need to have any meals to feed the earthly body and as such beats having to wait in line at the kitchen if all those waiting for “judgment day” had to be fed.
So “X” killed “Z” but he repented and so goes to heaven, “Z” is also going to haven and there they have to spend the rest of eternity together with “Z” always being faced with the fact that “X” had raped her, tortured her to death. Gosh, “Z” might really look forwards to that, or perhaps not?
Isn’t GOD really a revengeful GOD, as after all he punish the parents by having the child being born, if at all, suffering of all kinds of illnesses, etc.
Posted by Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka, Thursday, 3 May 2007 1:29:49 AM
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Part 2
Yes, I was told during religious classes this was to punish the parents for their wrong doings. Gosh, I must have been a darn good person to have all my 8 children healthy born and being healthy adults, and to think that GOD rewards the people doing good.

Looks like with me not practicing a religion GOD might just look better after me then those praying the whole day and getting no where. So, I enjoy my life and GOD is looking after me, but those who believe and practice they will be punished for their bad deeds being a child to die or have illnesses. Now, isn’t that the incentive not to practice religion and end up having the good and not the bad? Not even having to pay into the collection in church either!

There was this very Christian like incident in 1992 where my sister and our uncle (85) came over from Europe to visit us. He died two days later, and the local minister was not available. My sister was to pieces, so to say, and so a minister had to be hired from 200 kilometres away to conduct the funeral. Later the minister made clear there was nothing wrong he had not bothered to show up. Well, my sister then would have appreciated some religious comfort but none to be from him. Since then, I never again bothered to step foot in that church. Now, for the sake of my wife I accompany her but without hearing aids on I use my hearing aids as earplugs and so it doesn’t worry me to be there for the sake of my wife.
Everyone can have their “religion” but as this is to be a mental state of “belief” then why do those with religions try to shove it down the throat of others, I wonder? It is not religion that is at fault but those practicing it at the detriment of others.
Posted by Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka, Thursday, 3 May 2007 1:31:24 AM
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Philip Tang,

There is a lot truth to your last comment.
Posted by Fellow_Human, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:37:29 PM
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Fellow_Human,

You're misreading my thoughts:

>>The solution to terrorism comes from the Muslim world as Coach correct analysis: that is for muslim countries and peaceful majority to eradicate the militant brand.<<

Islam cannot solve its own problems let alone “the world's” because at the heart of Islam is the ambiguous teachings of theQur’an.

Muslims “Xerox” the prophet Mohammed’s life.

Jihad – Holy War – is imposed on ALL Muslims (those who can't MUST support those who do).

Killing of non-muslims is commanded by Allah and vividly ennacted by Mohammad.

The “peaceful muslim majority” is a myth and you know it.

The Qur'an is the root cause of today’s world’s problems – and NOT just militant Islam (a few terrorists) like you’re trying to sell us.

Pericles,

Sorry about hyphenating – I was doing my bit saving the planet.

For most, the word Christianity gives the connotation of organised and ritualistic institutions. It was never Jesus’ intention to start such a man-made movement. His Church is his followers.

I prefer to call myself a disciple of Jesus, intimately related to our Father in heaven through the Holy Spirit.

Your lack of belief is a result of your convenient denial of God (also noted by GZ Tan) and your choice to live outside God's plan.

Further more what difference would it make to you what/where Heaven and Hell are. It’s like saying I won’t invest in a Cézanne because the artist failed to mention the chemical composition of the paint he used.

My belief (and therefore ‘authority’) in creation is both scientific and rational: cause and effect. Some “thing” must have caused the universe to exist. The order and perfection of such a universe tell me that that “thing” must be immensely superior to our collective intellect.

God is that “thing”. All other theories require faith.

The Bible, which opening line is: “In the beginning God created …”, the progressive revelation of God is spelt out to humanity using words, people, events, history, geography, etc,… very much like pieces of a puzzle each complementing the other.

No other book comes close.
Posted by coach, Thursday, 3 May 2007 2:05:57 PM
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CJMorgan,

It's not that bad- FH's a fool too, albeit a very well-mannered one.

You missed my point. My suggesting to Pericles does NOT imply I'm obligated to answer any question.

Perhaps I'm the wrong person to ask about Virgin Birth and Resurrection because I'm not preaching.

But since you started, let me mention some reasons Muhammad's Islam is hoax.

(1)...Muhammad believed in deception. Even Allah might directly deceive "hypocrites". It's most likely Muhammad too would deceive others when it helped.

(2)...Muhammad had benefits of "hindsights". He could cherry-pick from Judaism and Christianity to establish credibility in his conversations (like pretentiously talked about virgin Mary).

(3)...Muhammad "revealed" the Quran over more than 20 years. Why not a single proof of his encounters with divinity over so long? None independent witness; no lightning, thunder or miracle.

(4)...It was plenty of time (even for an illiterate) to cough out a volume of nonsense.
Time aplenty to manipulatively exclude unfavourable teachings (like resurrection of Jesus), and to craft out a "logical" theology for simple-minded people (like one Allah means one God, not three)

(5)...Irreconcilable differences with the religions he borrowed from

(6)...Muhammad's claims are like - one day a total stranger turns up to claim he is your lost son.
There were no prior prediction, prophesy about Muhammad's handiwork.
Muhammad was outsider to Jews, Christians.

(7)...No Jewish prophet had set out to establish a new religion. It's odd Muhammad (an Arab), came to claim a "working-relationship" with Jews and Christians.
Muhammad might as well had established Islam as a completely new religion (making no reference to virgin Mary or Jesus). But then Islam would not have survived, would it?

Not to mention "Satanic Verses" and Muhammad's history of killings and pedophilia.

If not for Muhammad, it's palpable that another cunning Arab boy "Dammahum" would have found "Malsi". Then perhaps FH is a devout "Milsum" today, reading holy scripture "Naruq" to learn about godhead "Halla". Hee...hee...

Your turn now to expand your claim that Virgin Birth, Resurrection and Muhammad's angel encounters "are all EQUALLY IMAGINARY events".

I'll see if I can help.
Posted by GZ Tan, Thursday, 3 May 2007 3:42:40 PM
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Coach,

Your version of Islam sounds a lot like Armageddon scenario. Don't confuse your faith with mine.

GZ Tan,

One comment from CJ Morgan managed to drop the masque of 'loggic and intellect' you have been wearing. He is asking you to apply your own logic of physical proof that you are using on others and bang: you are just another Armageddonite in the fellowship of the ring.

Please answer the question and while at it, please prove the rapture.
Glad we now know your true colours.

Peace,
Posted by Fellow_Human, Thursday, 3 May 2007 4:04:36 PM
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