Goodthief,

Your comments are informative and logical. Thanks,

GZ Tan,

Pericles questions was simply about you applying the logic you use on others to your own faith. That is to prove that whatever you believe in can be factual without referring to the bible. You kept coming back to the 'biblical facts' and priests. Which is OK I guess as long as you accept the same for others.

PS: explain to me what you mean by 'logical christian'ie does it mean you believe in the Nicene creed (325 AD) or the Constantinople creed (381 AD)?

Peace,

FH,Pericles,CJMorgan,

Sorry, I'm simply not involved in matters of faith to even appreciate a creed/doctrine.
Perhaps it's a problem being too logically inclined.

I'm only here to kick Islam.

I am somewhere between a "scientific christian" and a "virtual christian". So I thought other than "pseudo-christian", the description "logical christian" is most appropriate for me.

Perhaps if God strikes me with a lightning then I will become more spiritually inclined.

As for Virgin Birth and Resurrection, I do not believe they are illogical. In fact it would be odd if God (son of God) is not capable of a Resurrection. So question is whether Jesus is indeed God (son of God), NOT whether Virgin Birth and Resurrection are possible.

Ask me any specific question then I will think about it (logically) and tell you whether I believe or not. But of course most questions should be directed at practising christians.

Lastly, I was only making suggestions to Pericles to get out of this quagmire of asking questions only to refute the answers. It does not mean I will contribute to answering him.

GZ Tan,

You quote:
"I am only here to kick Islam"

What a purpose in life for a 'logical christian'as you claim to be.

Then you followed it with:

"I am somewhere between a "scientific christian" and a "virtual christian". So I thought other than "pseudo-christian", the description "logical christian" is most appropriate for me. As for Virgin Birth and Resurrection, I do not believe they are illogical. In fact it would be odd if God (son of God) is not capable of a Resurrection. So question is whether Jesus is indeed God (son of God)"

What substance do you smoke to come up with this irrational, illogical 'logic'?
Anyway, as long its your backyard keep stockpiling it. You got no credibility or respect from me from now on.

Goodthief,

I perceive from your posting that you may view that I made an attack upon you, this I did not do.
My statements were not to address any particular posting per se rather was intended to be general.

We have all our views and are entitled to that and we all contribute in the way we post to the debate, regardless if we agree or disagree with certain postings. Hence, I respect your posting as much as that of others, regardless if I do or do not agree with some.

The spirit of posting is that we all contribute our own views and by this kind of communication we all may respect each other more, regardless if we agree or disagree with each other.

Had I intended to make a frontal attack upon any specific posting I would have mentioned the identity of the poster.

Actually, I was a bit surprised that you seemed to view I criticized you, as I do not recall having your posting in mind when I wrote what I posted.

Going back over postings of others, as well as myself, about the issue raised by the federal government (at the time of the Tampa incident) that terrorist were entering Australia between the refugees in those boats. Also, just after the invasion into Iraq, how posters were claiming on 9-4-2003 that the war was now over and peace would be restored in days, and how I then already pointed out –as was later made known- that the Iraqi troops for some extend had been ordered, so to say, to go underground and become a resistance group.
Perhaps unbeknown to many the late President Saddam Hussein was a military strategist and he would have known all along he was going to be defeated in a military showdown, but could inflict far more harm by sending troops to fight as resistant fighters.

In years from now we might also realize that this Muslim-phobia as like the communist-phobia of the 1940’s will be laughable afterwards, but not for those who suffered because of it.

Time will tell.

FH,

Gee... you never sounded like an open-minded person would.

Do I need your respect? I certainly do not highly regard someone whose deficient mind is steeped in false theology of Muhammad.
I think our debates since "day 1" have shown your deficiency in logical reasonings.

All that paradise and teachings are nothing, you know. Think about it when you next pray in you Mosque.
Perhaps you'd shake in your boots too.

Also, from time to time I caused you to drop your masque of friendliness and good-mannerism. What's really behind that smiley mask, I always wondered, but I suspect it ain't pretty.

That website again to save yourself: http://www.faithfreedom.org

Gerit
"in years from now we might also realize that this Muslim-phobia as like the communist-phobia of the 1940’s will be laughable afterwards, but not for those who suffered because of it"

Or we might be like the Copts (of Egypt) , out numbered, out voted , out caste...!

Or the Serbs of Kosovo -kicked out!
Or the Bahai of Iran -hounded out!
Or the Greeks of Cyrus -run out!
Or the Christians of Lebanon -bearly holding out!

Mr Gerit- Over & out