SYMBOLS........

Swastika...

its only a little drawing.. why should we be so scared of it ?
Aushwitz
Belsen
Dr Mengle
Millions of people murdered.

Hammer and Sickle...

its only a picture,...why should we be so scared of it ?

-21 million murdered in Stalins Purges and programs.
-Near Thermo Nuclear War over Cuba.
-Korean War
-Vietnam.

Islamic Head Scalf....

-Genocide of a whole Tribe of Jews (Systematic beheading of Banu Qurayza Males)

Tabari VIII:38 "The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims."

-Justification of sex slavery. 23:5-6

-Cursing of other specific religions and races (Jews and Christians)9:30
-Death for simply insulting their prophet. -Death for rejecting their prophet after you have accepted him. (hadith references)
-A man driven by lust and misogeny- producing a culture of the same character. 33:50
-Justification of wife beating. 4:34
-Prostitution re-packaged as 'temporary marriage' and justified for males.4:24
-Child exploitation/ sexual abuse of female children. (Aisha)

Nah..nothing to worry about or fear or be offended or insulted by.... not at all.

Was that an April Fool's Day joke, Boazy?

Very droll.

David, those things occurred over 1000 years ago. Should we find the Cross scary and ban it because of the Crusades?

I remember from my young days Anglo-Australian women wearing head scarves to the footy on windy days. It is hardly a particularly Islamic thing.

Thanks logic, you got there ahead of me.

While putting together your little list of rants, Boaz, you conveniently omitted the Cross, didn't you?

The Christian Cross

It's only a symbol, isn't it?

Germany 1096: "In the spring of 1096 several crusading bands made their way through the Rhineland, the most notorious of which was led by Count Emicho of Leiningen. In Speyer, the bishop was able to shelter the Jews from the crusaders. Only eleven lost their lives. In the subsequent cities, resistance was much weaker. Massacres occurred in Worms, Trier, Mainz, and Cologne. The Chronicle of Solomon bar Simson gives a vivid description of the carnage in Mainz:

"The enemy arose against them, killing little children and women, youth and old men - all on one day. The priests were not accorded honor nor the elders grace; the enemy showed no mercy for babes and sucklings, no pity for women about to give birth."

Jerusalem 1099: Christians slaughtered almost the entire population - "the slaughter was so great that our men waded in blood up to their ankles..." ... "men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins"... "When the pagans had been overcome, our men seized great numbers, both men and women, either killing them or keeping them captive, as they wished."

London 1262: Civil War used as an excuse for Chrsitians to kill Jews: 1,500 murdered in London alone. "In 1279 all Jews in the city were arrested on the charge of debasing the coin of the realm. After a London trial 280 were executed. Edward I ordered those remaining out of the realm by All Saints Day, 1290. The Jews’ possessions fell to the crown. In October, a month before the deadline, 16,000 left for France and Belgium, some finding death on the way, even as close as the Thames where a sea captain allowed many to drown."

There are many, many more, of course.

Now, what exactly was your point again, Boaz?

Dear critics.

There is a 'fundamental' difference between Islamic symbolism and the Cross as a Christian symbol.

The events you refer to in your attack on my post, are predictable but in error.

The Swastika was symbolic of Mein Kampf.
The Crescent (and head scalf) is symbolic of Islam (Quran and Sunnah)
The Cross is symbolic of Christ and the Gospel.

What was your error ? Very simple. You failed to distinguish between the "Fundamentals" and the "Fanatics".

Symbols have an 'inherrant' meaning based on their origin, and HISTORIC meaning given by those who use it rightly or wrongly in the course of their own lives.

CLEARLY- failure to distinguish between inherrant meaning and historical would be intellectually irresponsible and bordering on bigotry.(Or to use the words of Justice Higgins "Religious Vilification")

The Cross is 'inherrently' about self sacrifice, humility and Gods love. History can give it any meaning it likes depending on how it is used.

National Socialism and Islam are not like this. The horrors of these cults are inherrent in their doctrines.

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_19_Islams_Holocaust.Islam
Quote:
The reason Allah approved rape, involuntary sex with prisoners, in the 33rd surah was because Muhammad was about to indulge.
SOURCE.
Tabari VIII:38 "The Prophet selected for himself from among the Jewish women of the Qurayza, Rayhanah bt. Amr. She became his concubine. When he predeceased her, she was still in his possession. When the Messenger of Allah took her as a captive, she showed herself averse to Islam and insisted on Judaism."

COMMENT (from Prophet of Doom)
"Imagine the horror of being the sex slave of the man who had murdered your father and your brothers. Imagine being forced to have sex with a man who had given your mother up to be raped and had sold your sisters into slavery to buy swords so that he could torment others. It’s chilling - perversity on an unimaginable scale. Muhammad may well have been the most vile human to have ever lived." endquote.

I report, you decide.

What was your error ? Very simple. You failed to distinguish between the "Fundamentals" and the "Fanatics".

How exactly do we do this DB? Do we only look for muslim fanatics, or do we accept that fanaticism can spring from almost any part of society?

Boaz, to many, your posts would appear to be fanatical - they are couched in religious verse, and I imagine if you were to substitute biblical tracts for those of the Koran and include some heated monologue, they would be treated very harshly by wider Australian society.

I don't say this to insult or incite a response, rather, for you to consider for a brief moment what the situation would be like, were you to be a practicing muslim.

Yes - the problem here is fanatics. How would you feel if christian fanatics were taking hold of Christianity?

I've seen muslim posters here be asked to give up their faith - in some cases, they've been told that they are better people than their faith would have them be.

Whilst I've no need for any religion, I can't help but wonder if you'd be willing to give up christianity and accept a command to conceal the cross, solely because some yahoos had hijacked your faith and the rest of us were getting a little skittish.