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Bigots shield behind conservative facade : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 12/3/2007

Liberty and xenophobia don't make comfortable bedfellows.

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Irfan posted "....there are more white European males engaged in criminal activity in Australia than persons from other cultural backgrounds...."

Typical of a laywer reasoning, true but misleading. In absolute value there may be more of them engaged in criminal activities because there are more of them (white European males)to begin with in Australia, but proportionately it may not be true.
Posted by Philip Tang, Friday, 30 March 2007 8:36:56 PM
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Irfan,

White Europeans engaged in criminal activities just like other races because there are bad people all round. But Muslims who commit terrorist acts do so because they are driven by an ideology - Islam.

Whilst we can say WW percent of any race is likely to commit a crime within XX years, we may not say YY percent gang rapes are commited by any particular race.

But we CAN indeed recognise that ZZ percent of terrorism are commited by Muslims. (And ZZ is a figure fairly close to 99).

When people recognise that a particular batch of bad apples had all come from the same tree. It becomes possible to judge the tree by the next bad apple falling from it.

Recently :
1. in Nigeria some Muslim pupils lynched a teacher to death.
2. jail terms amounting to little more than a slap-on-the-wrist were handed down to Indonesian Islamists who chopped off heads of christian schoolgirls.
3. a Frenchman plucked out eyes of his wife (who refused sex with him). I knew (at an instance) - that devil must be a Muslim.

You and Fellow_Human are alike - both defend the tree of Islam by steadfastly dissociating evils emanating from Islam from the religion.

In your mind you never defend the indefensible (like Hilaly). But in fact you both do it all the time - defend Islam without fail.

By so doing, even though you are not a bad apple yourself, it is a tainted one nonetheless.
Posted by GZ Tan, Friday, 30 March 2007 9:28:22 PM
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Our individual soul is not tainted by the circumstances of our birth.
Our individual soul is affected by our individual actions and decisions.
How we think and how we behave as individuals affects our countenance and is forever stamped upon each of us. We can be identified.
One Muslim can harm the reputation of all Muslims if the greater portion of Muslims do not denounce that Individuals actions in the name of Islam. It is just the same for Christians, Jews or The Boy Scouts, or Kindergarten schools. Whether it is fair or not does not remove it from reality. All religions, political parties, groups or associations need to take up the responsibility for what is done in their name. That includes the nihilist and cultural Marxist.
Posted by aqvarivs, Saturday, 31 March 2007 4:53:46 AM
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Readers may be interested in two articles from Der Spiegel's English service.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,474629,00.html

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,467360,00.html

Der Spiegel is perhaps the most widely read and influential weekly news magazine in Germany. The relevance for Australia is obvious.

It is NOT bigotry to fear the illiberal influence of contemporary Islam in Australia or Europe.

Nor is it bigotry to fear the "multi-culturalism" can lead to balkanisation with the attendant civil disruption, perhaps low-level civil war,that implies.
Posted by Stephany, Saturday, 31 March 2007 12:32:33 PM
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Multiculturalism has been an attempt to make a virtue out of a necessity - cheap travel has meant mass movement of people, and now people of many different cultures live in the sort of proximity unbelievable only one hundred years ago.
Because oil is going to become much more expensive, and alternative transport fuels are unlikely to mitigate this substantially, the era of cheap travel may well soon come to an end. Thus the need to make a virtue out of having to live with clashing cultures may well soon come to an end also.
At that point, perhaps some more critical, and assertive, expression of values can be made with more popular support. In anticipation of that, the same critical and assertive expression of values should be made now.
In this light, it is not OK to prevent the protection of Australian law to young Muslim girls who have their genitalia mutilated (female genital mutilation, FGM). In the Netherlands it was proposed to screen young girls in at-risk communities for any incidence of FGM. As in the Netherlands, in Austraila it is only amongst Muslims that this practice is carried out. Sometimes it is done in Australia, sometimes the child is taken overseas. Either way, the protection of Australian law should be extended for these girls, with severe penalties for parents who have this operation performed.
Enacting a rigorous screening program for FGM is a must for ending this assault. Doing so would send a very clear message to Muslims in Australia that the practice is to stop. It would probably also send a very clear message to Muslims thinking of migrating to Australia that the practice is not welcome, and may well discourage them from making the trip.
PS Irfan - you asked for just one Muslim who was responsible for killing 6 million jews. Because of a lack of industrialisation in Muslim lands, one Muslim is unlikely to have been able to match that figure. So how about I compile a list for you of as many of the Muslim-against-dhimmi atrocities that I can find?
Posted by camo, Saturday, 31 March 2007 5:02:17 PM
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A few years back a couple of radical Muslims in Singapore wanted their children to wear headscarves to school. But they were not permitted under schools regulation. The Singapore government didn't buy the Islamists arguments on religious ground, and secularism prevailed.

In China's Xinjiang province the Islamists mounted a campaign for autonomy (with an aim towards independence), much like the Islamists in Kashmir. The aim is to set up an Islamic state. The Chinese stood firm and today, the average Uighur is able to exercise his choice of religion, freed from the shackles of Islam and all her bigotry.

Chechen Islamists took 1,200 children hostage in a school in Beslan, Russia. The crisis ended with about 360 killed. In Chechnya , the Muslims had the same ambitions as the Muslims in China’s Xinjiang province and India’s Kashmir region: they wanted to set up an Islamic state. The Russians dealt firmly and fairly with the insurgents and brought peace to the region.

There is much truth and wisdom in the advice of ex-Islamic jihadist Tawfiq Hamid that the Islamic ideology is based on power, arrogance and superiority to others. And the way to deal with them is to come from an angle of strength and firmness. Love, patience, tolerance and dialogue tried by the loony left has not worked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ho8bSaWL-w

Australian Muslims decided recently that Sheikh Hilali should keep the post of Mufti of Australia that he has held since 1988. Most Muslims in this country are agreeing to the idea that its OK for non-Muslims girls to be raped because they are not covered, ie in Islamic attire.
Posted by Philip Tang, Saturday, 31 March 2007 6:55:15 PM
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