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Bigots shield behind conservative facade : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 12/3/2007

Liberty and xenophobia don't make comfortable bedfellows.

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Can't people do anything but point the bone at us poor white Australian's? After all, we opened the door to people from all around the world, allow them to form organisations and clubs that the white Australian is not allowed to do. Really, the discrimination is actually against the apathetic white Australian for being so stupid.

So why not. Let's give Muslims all they want as they take away from us just as many of the Asians have done. Let's bring in Sharia Law so that a child can have its arm crushed by a car for stealing a loaf of bread or, stone a young woman to death because some thug rapes her.

If this Islamic Political Party gets up, I wonder if Irfan Yusuf is going to join it. We keep hearing Muslim clerics rubbish our women and now blame the drought on us for not wanting to scream, "Allah Ackbah".

Let's continue to Lebenese path in Lebenon where the Christian's are having their applications to move to Australia blocked so only the Muslims who are so cuddly, run this nation. I'm sure Aboriginal culture would do well under Hilali.
Posted by Spider, Monday, 12 March 2007 1:43:42 PM
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Hello Irfan. I notice that this article, like many before, is short on details and long on rhetoric.
An easy arguement can be made to reconcile these two you'd like to have as opposites.
Islam formed when communities were created around a diety. Muhammad raised the former minor diety Allah to the pinnacle of his system and formed a community around himself using this diety.
Islam is thus a political system as much as a religious system. This is why Islamists (such as those in charge of Saudi Arabia) can plausibly claim to use the Koran as their constutition.
Being the totalist system that Islam is, the Koran demands that adherents commit to spread Islam to the Infidels, that is, everyone who hasn't already accepted Islam. The Koran also demands that adherents always seek to live under Sharia law, whereever they live. (An out is that the Koran encourages Muslims to move to a country run under Sharia law if the country does not convert.)
So a question can be asked: will people who come to Australia agree to maintain a liberal democracy or not? Or will people come to Australia and seek to subvert a liberal democracy and seek the establishment of a system of law based on a 7th century religious text?
The current liberties which Australians enjoy are not based on the type of political system which is Sharia law. Vigilence against Sharia is necessary for the maintenance of liberty.
Most Muslims are better than their religion would have them be on most issues most of the time. But this is little comfort, as Islam is prefeudal fascism, and it is this fascism which can flare up with little or no provocation. Just look at the reaction to the bunch of cartoons recently.
Posted by camo, Monday, 12 March 2007 2:12:04 PM
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Spider, what “organisations and clubs” can non-white Australians form that whites cannot? What “discrimination” have you suffered as (presumably) a “white Australian”? Nowhere in the article or this thread has imposing Sharia law been suggested, so why raise it?

As Irfan says, liberty and xenophobia don't make comfortable bedfellows. I’d rather rely on someone like Irfan to protect my democratic liberties than bigots and xenophobes.
Posted by Rhian, Monday, 12 March 2007 2:12:41 PM
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I suppose this comment will make me a 'bigot'. So be it.
Do I want my wife, daughter, daughters in law and three female grandchildren to live in a country where female 'circumcision' is practiced with the approval of the followers of a cult - Islam? No. Do I want to see girls deprived of equal educational opportunities? No. Do I want to live where females are not allowed to go and watch a football match? No. Do I want to see women deprived of the vote? No. Do I want to live in what is effectively a theocracy? No. Do I want to see a females evidence in court worth less than a male? No. Do I want to see all that 'The West' has managed to do in breaking away from theocratic control thrown away? No. Do I want to see the separation of the state and religion disappear? No. Do I want to see cult conviction dominate over science - the Scopes trial writ large? No. Do I want to be in a country that goes fruit loop because someone draws a cartoon? No. Do I want to see even the possibility of Sharia Law? No.

As Francis Fukuyama put it recently, ' Modern Liberal societies have weak collective identities. Postmodern elites, especially in Europe, feel that they have evolved beyond identities defined by religion and nation. But if our societies cannot assert positive liberal values, they may be challenged by migrants who are more sure of who they are'
Posted by eyejaw, Monday, 12 March 2007 2:45:22 PM
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Head for the hills! Stock up on baked beans and ammunition! We'll all be rooned!

There's Reds under the beds and Mohammads in the cupboards!

:D
Posted by Mercurius, Monday, 12 March 2007 3:03:08 PM
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I thought that Xenophobia was a fear of all foreigners. In the context of this little thing from Irfan, can it be said that Australians have a fear of all foreigners. Of course not, we are made up of them from all parts of the world, and we all live in comparative harmony.

Can it be said that we are perhaps zenophobic about one particular group, and the answer has to be a resounding, Yes. Why are we so edgy about this group. If we just go by the papers of late we have good reason to be edgy. Which bit would you like to analyse first.

Why not try Malaysia, and a our good old friend Dr Mahathir Mohmamamed and the speech he gave at the meeting of the OIC in Kualar Lumpur a few years ago, wherein he called Jews as being descended from apes and monkeys etc. All classic Islamic rhetoric but this time out of the mouth of a so called international statesmen, and neighbour.

But why be surprised when all Malaysian passports are marked not for travel to Isreal. Who is being Xenophobic here.

Why the paranoia about Jews/Israel from a place like Malaysia beats me.

The Jews have collectively have won 127 Nobel Prizes. Not bad for a global population of only 14m. Stack that against the Muslims performance of less than 6 for a total population of 1.2bn. Doesnt say much for their level of self help and personal drive for achievement.

If we go by what is happening in Europe and their history to date, just more imported trouble and strife, just as their mad mullahs are already continuously propogating in the newspapers.If Europe is anything to go by we can all look forward to higher crime rates particularly crimes aginst women,and whole suburbs becoming no go areas for non muslims, and a declining economic standards.

They divide families as they have divided mine, and they will salami slice us back to the dark ages unless we are truly vigilant.
Posted by bigmal, Monday, 12 March 2007 3:11:06 PM
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