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Bigots shield behind conservative facade : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 12/3/2007

Liberty and xenophobia don't make comfortable bedfellows.

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"The Lebanese muslims are one such group that continually keep themselves apart by their anti-social behaviour, offensive attitude to females, gang bashings of anglo males, intimidation and violent behavipour, show contempt for our laws, our courts and police officers."

Can you provide me with evidence that shows Lebanese Muslims commit these acts more than Anglo-Australians? And in all states and territories of Australia?

And why don't you give examples of positive contributions of Lebanese Aussies? Or do you think Lebanese Muslims are incapable of making positive contributions?

By the way, do you have an account with the National Australia Bank? Do you know who the head of their Australian operations is?
Posted by Irfan, Saturday, 24 March 2007 12:30:36 PM
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"but if you know anything about how Islam works you would know there is no justification in allowing more followers of Islamic submissive cult to live in Australia."

The Islam I was taught was one that told me to be a good citizen, to work hard, to never go on Centrelink even if I had to deliver pizzas to survive (which I did when I was at uni) and to obey the law.

Only an untrue aussie would oppose this kind of religion.
Posted by Irfan, Saturday, 24 March 2007 12:49:46 PM
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Irfan,
What evidence do you need to be convinced that we have a social problem with Leb muslims. Ever since I have been reading and posting on OLO there has been an almost constant flow of information about bad social behaviour of Leb muslims.

Certainly, some of that infomation is heresay, but a lot of it is from peoples personal encounters. Ask females that are shop assistants, teachers, police, nurses, ambulance and receptionists and see what their responses are.

Ask the girls that put up with harrassment at Cronulla beach by Lebs for about 10 years if they are nice blokes. Ask the blokes that have been intimidated or bashed by the gangs if they like them. By the way, the leb gang members openly boast about them being Lebs.

Do you think that all these people are bigots or racists? Even if only half the media were only half accurate, Lebs would still have a poor reputation.

Living in NSW, I have to admit that we do not get a great deal of information from the other states. However on recent visits to Melbourne and Perth, complaints about Lebs anti-social behaviour were heard there too.

Did you not see the reports about the behaviour by the family and friends, of the gang rapists, in court. The victims were hissed at and spat on going to and from the court during adjourments. One person called loudly from the gallery "Whats wrong with f...... a whore" That really shows respect for our judicial system.

I have met some Leb Christians that are alright and have not heard any poor reports about them. So I believe the problem with the Leb muslims is cultural.
I also understand that the present Governor of NSW is Lebanese and I understand this lady is very nice. But have not met her.

I think you know all this as it has been this way for years and you are just trying to muddy the water.

Frankly the problem is so widely known, that I did not think anyone would even need to seek further "evidence"
Posted by Banjo, Saturday, 24 March 2007 10:59:18 PM
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Irfan,

You beg the question: "I ask people here to state their positions. Do they think it is OK to accuse a black Christian of being a Muslim?"

Your rhetorical question calls for both Yes & No answers:

1) No, not OK to accuse any Christian of being a Muslim, no matter the skin colour.
2) Yes, if there is evidence (even if anecdotal) someone (no matter what skin colour) may in fact be a Muslim in disguise.

It all comes down to TRUST.

Do I trust Barack Obama as a Christian President of a secular USA?

No !! He would not get my vote (if I were an American). But the main reason is that I trust others more than I trust him.

If not trusting someone makes me a bigot, I am sure you are a bigot also.

So what xenophobia are you on about?
Posted by GZ Tan, Sunday, 25 March 2007 11:39:36 PM
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'What a shmuck'

Hehe. 'Shmuck'. Brilliant.
Posted by spendocrat, Monday, 26 March 2007 9:19:33 AM
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"What evidence do you need to be convinced that we have a social problem with Leb muslims."

=> start with some statistics. How about the NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics on gang rape furing the period when the Skaf brothers carried out their attacks. The Bureau reported that gang rape was more frequent in Maitland and Cessnock than Greenacre and Bankstown. I guess Maitland has a thriving Lebanese Muslim community.

"Ever since I have been reading and posting on OLO there has been an almost constant flow of information about bad social behaviour of Leb muslims."

=> So you believe everything you read on these forums? Have you seen a doctor for your condition?

"Certainly, some of that infomation is heresay, but a lot of it is from peoples personal encounters. Ask females that are shop assistants, teachers, police, nurses, ambulance and receptionists and see what their responses are."

=> And you are telling me that the majority of Australian women report some kind of sexual abuse by Lebanese Muslims? How do they recognise whether the abuser is Lebanese Muslim? Do the "Lebs" (as you call them) have special tattoos on their foreheads?

"Ask the girls that put up with harrassment at Cronulla beach by Lebs for about 10 years if they are nice blokes. Ask the blokes that have been intimidated or bashed by the gangs if they like them. By the way, the leb gang members openly boast about them being Lebs."

=> If your problem with Lebanese? Or is it with Muslims? Make up your mind. Most Lebanese in Australia are Christians.

=> You are attributing characteristics to an entire group of people based on their ethnic and/or ethno-religious background. In my books, that makes you a racist. You are effectively saying that every single Lebanese and/or Muslim, from theAustralian CEO of the National Australia Bank to the leading goal scorer for the Sydney Bulldogs, have certain negative characteristics. This is racism pure and simple.
Posted by Irfan, Monday, 26 March 2007 10:25:04 PM
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