Irf... I can only nail Mohammads colors to the mast.. where he comitted genocide against the Jewish Banu Qurayza. 600-900 males killed and women and children sold into slavery.

My own colors ? I refer you to my various posts on 'final solution' for Palestine, which suggests:

1/ Remove all Jews
OR
2/ Remove all Palestinians or at least those in the refugee camps, and provide them with land of equal productivity in different locations than Israel.

For Theological and historical reasons, I view the return of Jews to the land of their inheritance as inevitable. The day to day events which prop up or expand this process are under providential guidance.
Injustice has never been high on Yahweh's list of favorites. But given the choice of on-going massacres and rockets and squabbles over Jerusalem OR.. removing the source of the problem, I see removal(Ethnic Cleansing) as the most compassionate approach in the long run.

Unless you have a theological reason for disagreeing, there is no reason to disagree, as both you and I are living on 'stolen' land if we want to be morally pedantic.

BEN..welcome to OLO, I've not seen you b4. Thanx for your comments, even though they appear to view my posts as unseemly.
I believe your assessment of Sth Thailand is correct, "Ethnic" but I would hasten to add, that in Islam there is no difference between religion and state, so by this, it is also a religious struggle.
Please do some study on the concept of "Islamic Lands" and for this I refer you to a document of Hamas. Their founding charter,

Part III - Strategies and Methods

Article Eleven: The Strategy of Hamas: Palestine is an Islamic Waqf

http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html
This document is very instructive in the theological aspects of "Muslim Lands"

This Muslim facism is just like the Japanese "bullshida" concept of WW2 that believed in the saving of face and family honour prevailed above all else.

The Kamakazie pilots of Japan and the suicide bombers of Islam have a lot in common.It is the obsessive compulsive disorder of an ideology based on irrational thought,bereft of scientific fact that will bring our civilisation asunder,not the notion of offending our perception of divinity.Heretics have spoken the truth and suffered the ultimate price right throughout history.

Religion is just pornagraphically tribal,with little reference to facts or be able to withstand the rigors of scientific analysis.

What scientific paper could be based on the heresay of hundreds of hand me down stories of what happened hundreds of years ago?No two people can agree upon what happened before them in a controlled situation,let alone what has happened hundreds of years past in a much more supersticious culture.

Humans have this basal urge for a father figure to protect them and we have to progress to our next stage of evolutionary consciousness so we don't murder each other in the name of our imaginery protectors.

Still watching, Graham Young, from the right hand of course. And cheering, never has a thread been so popular but no further cutting of comments. Why? Visitor numbers, the $.

Irfan will become the most popular writer here as he really plumbs the depths, opens wounds and exposes his own racial and religious confusion. Well done Irfan, keep up the offensive writing, it attracts the same.

Yvonne seems to have recovered from her shock and is managing to continue reading and writing on this thread, despite her shoulder problem(s). Must be that huge chip there , dahling.

Yvonne is confused also. She starts out inferring everyone on this thread is racist and then includes herself, justifiably. Just be your nasty little self Yvonne. Write what your heart tells you to.

Let’s analyze this West;

There is a certain trend on display here

Dungeons and Dragons= Nephilim.
Harry Potter = Jesus?
Lilly Put as the new Metaphysical realm.
Star Trek!

Using such examples seemingly exacerbate the argument , and transform it to become a subconscious state to antiquate Surreal Abstract concepts out side of a Metaphysical explanation represent a form that is acceptable in a certain packaged methodology for the purveyor . Quite a unique Concept.
Agreed?
Hmmmmmmmmm

Savage Pencil - what a great post -well said!.

TurnRightThenLeft, -“Can agnostics join?” No! -Turn right again & keep going!

BenM,
“I feel that discussing this issue will leave me branded a Muslim apologist”
Aye that you are!

“there is LITTLE EVIDENCE OF EXTERNAL INVOLVEMENT. In revolutionary independence movements such as this”
Crap!
There is much evidence that the “rebels” in Southern Philippines, Southern Thailand & areas of Indonesia have been receiving training, arms & funds from outside middle eastern groups. As with Kosovo, Bosnia & Iraq, it is likely that there are middle eastern elements in their ranks.

aqvarivs wrote;

'It's an awful cheap exploit to broaden that scope now searching to defend a cheap association between language and behaviors. Don't come the victim with me Sir. I wont accept it in your writing and I wont accept it from you as a personal defence. I expect better from you.'

I agree with aqvarivs. Quite frankly Irfan's attitude and dialogue has been childish and needlessly insulting. Rather than engage in logical debate he has engaged in personal attacks. Other religious writers on 'On Line Opinion' like Peter Sellick don't stoop to such stupidity.

Maybe this testosterone charged chest beating is a Muslim thing. I don't know. But Irfan is suddenly starting to sound like your typical myopic Islamic fundamentalist - incapable of cool impartial discussion.