Rhys, as another former christian I've found that the idea of a parents love as a comparison to gods behaviour looks rather weak when you consider gods announced intention to hunt down and torture those who don't want an ongoing relationship (assuming numbats comments are a minority position amongst christains).

One part of the analogy looks good but on balance the kind of parent who hunts down kids who have rejected them and tortures them is not the type of parent I would aspire to be.

Parents keep on loving their offspring regardless of what the kids do, they may cut the ties because of ongoing harm, they may discipline those who are still under age (with an intent of correcting behaviour) but they never torture.

R0bert

The impression I'm getting from the godless brigade is that they are not questioning the Love or even Osama but the “GOD” part of the "God Loves Osama" posters.

Australia is in this declining and decadent state of moral confusion today because most have abandoned the idea of God' supremacy in our lives - replacing Him with "nothingness" or “self”.

How can a simple concept like love or forgiveness be rationally understood when God is taken out of the picture?

Look at Europe and how it is sliding downhill rapidly since they abandoned God and moved to total secularism – this has allowed Islam to march through their countries without possible resistance from the “Godless” Kafirs.

We are at war with an ideology that is embedded in a religion. The real enemy is not the terrorist but Islam itself.

Islam predates Iraq, Israel and even the USA. Islam has always been humanity’s enemy.

Islam – unlike communism – comes with a god figure at the helm. (Double trouble).

Judeo-Christianity is the foundation of modern civilization and its only hope of continuity. To dismiss that fact is to let go of our civilization.

Most of us will not be here to suffer the consequences of world dominated by Islamic retro-social values. It is our children and grandchildren who will blame us for sleeping at the wheel.

Godless people can only scratch their heads and wonder what the fuss is about. At best they try to combat Islam with Western style social law and dialogue – it simply won’t work.

Know your enemy – understand and preserve your culture before it’s too late.

Abandoning God is creating the ideal moral “vacuum” for Islam to fill with their version of a lesser god Allah.

God is a product of superstition and essentially god, the soul and spirituality are the ego. Jesus is an occult character in an occult book –the Bible. Jesus if he ever existed would be long dead. Nobody who believes in god bases that belief on truth and knowledge. Nobody who believes in god or Jesus (or both depending on a person’s cult) has prior proof of god and so all knowledge of god is made up, constructed, fantasy.

Jesus is essentially the ego based on personal preferences and the manipulation of occult literature, charlatans such as theologians and clergy and for most of Christian history .a great weight of politics.

Jesus only exists in the fantasy of the superstitious. No two people can believe in the same Jesus. Jesus is a conjured character as individual as the holder of the fantasy. If a
Person forgives Bin Laden then they will believe Jesus forgives Bin Laden. If they don’t forgive Bin Laden then they will not believe Jesus forgives Bin Laden. Jesus is a slave to what ever the ego prefers. Bin Laden is external to the issues of belief in Jesus because the concern of the believer is to convince the ego that it is immortal (saved). The self deification that is salvation is more focussed on the god believer passing the buck of the consequences of actions on to the deity or idol. Compared with the central issue of self deification (salvation) Bin Laden pales as remote importance to the spiritualist who is more concerned with their own ego’s needs.

On a political level it is increasingly apparent Christianity is trying to force its own form of Sharia Law onto the civilised world and it shares its values with Islamists. To those who are concerned we are being dragged back into a new Dark Age the forgiving of Bin Laden is an early sign of the unification of Islam and Christianity to take control of and persecute the world

coach wrote- "Australia is in this declining and decadent state of moral confusion today because most have abandoned the idea of God' supremacy in our lives - replacing Him with "nothingness" or “self”."

Dont agree. Firstly, I dont agree with the above description of Australia as true representation nor the direct connection between 'decadent' and 'from abandoning god'.

I think Australia, and the world, is waking up to the fact that the 'individual and god' relationship is a very personal and growing and evolving one, not one where a organization sets its self up in the middle between the person and god and then starts to dictate the who and how and what to god needs, likes and wants. then takes upon themselves to organize and instruct and control this...like in the past, it just does not work and too easy to corrupt...there is no confusion but clearer sight and feel of evil and good souls their nature and recognition

I think becoming 'decadent' is a personal choice and in itself not a crime, as long as you choose other decadent among yourself to party away...but corrupting or breaking a good soul into decadence and the pleasure derived from that act would be wrong...as it is in the nature of an evil soul to be decadent while it is naturally avoided by a good soul...

I think spiritually we all are far more advance than our generations before us. osama, well if god does exist, then spirit will survive the body and there will be judgment day, when god hears your reasons for your acts and determines if it a sin, if so then off to hell to burn it off which might take an eternity...I would like to hear what osama has to say, and if in fact the whole bush, blair etc organization will be judged together to get to the whole fact of the intentions behind the acts of damage and destruction for the unbalanced benefit...

Sam

I quite agree, RObert, there's a huge inconsistency between the doctrine of God's love and the doctrine of eternal punishment. And different people react to it in different ways, some by denying the doctrine of eternal punishment, some by inventing clever explanations to show that there isn't really any inconsistency at all, and still others by concluding that the whole edifice looks rather shaky.

I simply feel that the ugly bits of Christianity don't make the pretty bits any less pretty (just less believeable).

So to restate my original position in more narrowly defined terms: I have no problem with the idea that if Jesus was still around, he could love Osama but deplore his actions.

Coach, yes I do have a problem with Islam but I have to say that the terrorists do appear to be the more immediate threat.

West, oh yes, my Jesus is most certainly based on my personal preferences. That's why my Jesus is such a nice bloke :-) .

And Sam...it would be nice, wouldn't it, to believe in a god that actually judged people on their own merits, rather than punishing them for the actions of a supposed Adam and Eve.

Cheers, all!

Coach there is no greater s symbol of decadence than the Catholic and Pentecostal churches, the money lust of Tv evangilists , the self absortion that one decides that one requires an excorcist. There is nothing more symbolic of decadence than useless buildings dedicated to self obsession - the churches , mosques and temples. There is no greater a symbol of the degradation of morality than religion whos conduct of witch burning, inquistion, acts motivated by superstition , claims of god without prior proof makes religion anti-morals , infact evil.

Behaviour of the religious from Osama Bin Laden to Tony Abbot prove beyond doubt , mohommed and Jesus are bad influences.