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By Rod Benson, published 8/2/2007The notion that the Son of God would demonstrate affection for the world’s most wanted man is news to some.
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Posted by BOAZ_David, Thursday, 8 February 2007 11:16:22 AM
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I like the rest of humanity am a created being, these beings live for about 70 years on average or perhaps a little less and after this 'brief' life then comes eternity or timelessness where we will live in another dimension.
Now, as some, I cannot change what I see as God's plan for ALL humanity. The Bible plainly states that as in Adam ALL die and in Christ ALL are made alive (or words to that effect)Christ gave His life not for all the 'goody-goody two shoes' He is the Saviour of ALL mankind. Even those hate filled rather stupid Christians who have condemned all but baptised Christians to an eternity of torture in their pagan hell-fire. This ever torturing hell-fire does NOT exist never has and never will. God would have ALL men saved that's A-L-L. Bin-Laden (or whatever this deceived clowns name is) Adolf Hitler and ALL his cronies, Mao Tse Tung ,Gengis Khan, Attila the Hun, ALL pagan moslems,hindus,buddhists, Taoists, atheists and ALL their silly crowd the various head hunters and cannibals where ever they do or have lived. Sounds horrible to us mortals eh? But the great God of love has a plan to save ALL mankind and He will save A-L-L mankind and nobody physical or spiritual, genius or clown, can or will stop Him from carrying out this wonderful plan. Regards, numbat Posted by numbat, Thursday, 8 February 2007 2:22:27 PM
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So you’re telling us your imaginary friend loves someone who organised the death of 4000 plus people?
You might love your child when they do something wrong and forgive them and from that perspective I can see the point; but planning murder? Carrying it out? Wouldn’t you be a bit miffed (at the least)? Did God love the people in the world trade center so much he let them die horribly? What kind of love is that? Where is God’s justice there? Where was God then? In the cockpit? You’d have to assume from the evidence that God was not blessing America on 9/11. I find the whole concept of God loving mass murders, dictators etc bizarre (I find it equally strange that Alan Soden conciders me to be a sinner when we’ve never met) – God clearly wasn’t concerned with Justice or love when he happily let all those people die at the hands of the same people who Rod claims “In fact, I can say on biblical authority that Jesus died for Osama, and desires that he and others like him (even worse than him) should share the pleasures and joys of heaven forever” -- It’ll be a fun day in heaven when they all meet. The logic there seems to imply its ok what you do down here, God loves you and forgives your sins so it’s ok. Anyone think that will stand up in court? For those of you who are interested in God’s selective behaviour I’d recommend http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com (or anything by Richard Dawkins). Posted by Charger, Thursday, 8 February 2007 2:42:53 PM
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Good article, and a great thought-provoking poster campaign - congratulations to whoever thought it up.
It's all too easy to fall into the trap of assuming that God's love is conditional on, or proportional, to how we behave. Sometimes, too, forgiveness is the most effective spur to repentance – as Paul says “if your enemies are hungry, feed them; if they are thirsty, give them something to drink; for by doing this you will heap burning coals on their heads” Posted by Rhian, Thursday, 8 February 2007 2:45:28 PM
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I must say, it's nice to see the tolerant, "love thy neighbour" style of Christianity being reinforced. We hear so much from the loud bigoted minority that it's easy to forget these messages.
It'd be nice if more religions could take it a step further, and say that if god loves anyone anyway, then perhaps he doesn't care which religion you adhere to as long as you're a good person. Rationally, I could conceivably believe in a neutral god that doesn't care, or I could conceivably believe in a loving god that embraces all, or at least, those who do good. The only god I dismiss as unbelievable, is the kind that discriminates on the basis of religion as opposed to morality. I couldn't make myself believe in a god that cared about about thousand year old superstitious rituals, even if I tried. Yet ritualistic religion seems to remain the bedrock of belief, and it boggles me as to why. Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Thursday, 8 February 2007 2:54:38 PM
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And what is god's loving plan for those who see things a bit differently
A sampling I prepared earlier for another thread Revelation 6:2 - I looked and there before me was a white horse! It's rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest. Revelation 8:7 - The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up. Revelation 9:4,5 - They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. Revelation 9:15 - And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. So when someone tells you about a god of love remember that in their book that same god is keeping four angels prepped to kill a third of us. That same loving god plans 5 months of extreme torture for us. That same god reportedly plans an eternity of torment for those of us who don't see his plan as good news. If that's love count me out. R0bert Posted by R0bert, Thursday, 8 February 2007 2:54:51 PM
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Then is fulfilled
Matt 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
But up till that moment, if he repents, and gives his heart to God in Christ, Gods love is reaching out to him.
This sign is quite good in making the point of God's patience with us.
One of Osama's protege's Abu Izzadeen is a classic example of one closer to our turf.
http://timesnews.typepad.com/news/2006/09/desperately_see.html (Note the facial expression)
This man is the closest modern example of Paul the Apostle prior to his conversion. His enthusiasm to destroy, oppose and wipe out is totally fanatical. His knowledge of Arabic seems astounding, he ability to rant very impressive. So, when you look at this face, and the reports of his words, please think of the man Paul, and realize just how great was Gods act of intervention in transforming this mans life.
Can any one imagine this man, or Osama writing as follows: (1 Cor 13)
[If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.]
That....is the love which overcomes all the Osama's and Izzadeens of this world.....if they repent.