F.H.

You said:
[Can you become a Muslim while rejecting the whole hadith? the answer is a simple 'yes'.
Hadith is collected few centuries after the prophet's death and 99% of muslims use 5% of the hadith. Is this simple, plain, enough?]

REJECTING= not believing.
If you believed it, you would not reject it because it purports to be the words of your prophet.

Imams who feed the masses do believe them, so focus on them here is entirely valid.

Tolerant Religion ? The Gospel is not about 'Tolerance'... I don't recall claiming it is. The Gospel is about Salvation, repentance and faith. The idea of 'tolerance' simply does not enter the equation.
It is about love, and love speaks truth. Truth sets people free. Denial keeps them in an intellectual/spiritual prison.

Pericles. "Paid assistant".. tongue in cheek, I'm suggesting that the degree of obstinate denial of clear fact on your part requires some explanation, -a jibe.

CREDIBILITY ? yes..absolutely, and no, I'm not going to respond to your attempt to hijack an important thread and make it about 'me'.

Its about facts, and the correct understanding of them, in relation to the topic which is 'Muslim Academics must speak up' and self criticism is the key. 24 Muslims on trial in Sydney and Melbourne urgently requires us to understand what might be their mindset, where it COMES from, and what measures are needed to combat it.

Remember, they are only the ones against whom the AFP feel they have sufficient evidence to convict. Do you really think there are not many others out there, where the evidence is not yet sufficient?

I've highlighted valid points where criticism is due, and that is what I seek to open up. Any religion which whips a raped woman 90 times for simply meeting with a man not her husband, deserves the utmost scrutiny.

I don't think so Boaz.

>>CREDIBILITY ? yes..absolutely, and no, I'm not going to respond to your attempt to hijack an important thread and make it about 'me'.<<

Your habit is to make wild assertions and then fail to back them up with facts. What I did was to ask you to justify yourself - if that is "hijacking the thread" then I apologize to the other posters. But it riles me when you continually get away with this glib and fundamentally unpleasant Islam-bashing.

>>Its about facts, and the correct understanding of them, in relation to the topic which is 'Muslim Academics must speak up' and self criticism is the key<<

As I observed before, you are simply using the topic to get in as many free kicks against Islam that you can.

But you refuse to apply the standards that you so pompously call for, to your own unpleasant offerings. That is the reason your credibility is an issue.

It is this constant barrage of hypocrisy that keeps me trying to rein in your excesses, Boaz.

And here is an example of exactly what I mean.

>>24 Muslims on trial in Sydney and Melbourne urgently requires us to understand what might be their mindset, where it COMES from, and what measures are needed to combat it<<

But first we need to establish guilt, yes?

Or is the fact that i) they are on trial and ii) Muslims, sufficient for you to make whatever inferences you like about their crimes, and motivations? I know that you would have us believe that every Muslim is by definition a potential murderer and rapist, but that doesn't give you licence to stretch reality.

>>Remember, they are only the ones against whom the AFP feel they have sufficient evidence to convict. Do you really think there are not many others out there, where the evidence is not yet sufficient?<<

You simply cannot see that this pernicious, fact-free sentence is pure rabble-rousing, can you?

Try saying it out loud, and thump the table at the same time for emphasis.

No facts. Just rabble-rousing.

Boaz,

If you watched BBC world and the Doha debates maybe you would understand a little more about Muslims and Islam. Islam have 5 pillars of faith and Hadith is not one of them. Hadith is taken with caution and maybe 5-7% only of hadith is in circulation. This 5% or so are the tolerant merciful hadith which is consistent with the Qu’ran. Your ‘version’ of the prophet is self inflicted created by questionable hadith that is used by mainly two groups: Islamist radical Imams and envious missionaries.

It does not matter who promotes the radical material you are as responsible as a radical Imam and what went into the mind of this 24 youth. You spend most of your time either on this forum or addressing Muslim youth promoting this material. It doesn’t matter what your intentions are the result could be one of the following:

1. For a Muslim audience: Muslim youth feel alienated by feeling wrongfully portrayed as a non peaceful religion OR a young angry nut case sees your posts and say ‘wow, so I can do that?’ and he goes and does it whatever that is (ie. the 24 youth is a good example)

2. For a non-Muslim audience: they will either believe what you are promoting and go and discriminate in a way / shape or form against a muslim (by denying them a job opportunity or by treating them rudely). Or they will live in fear and hate of Muslims and be scared everytime they see a Muslim on a train or a bus.

Which exactly of the above scenarios is useful to the society and its harmony?
How many other ‘step by step’ ways do you need before the penny drops and you accept that your attitude is part of the problem?
There is an old greek proverb: ‘On a deaf man’s door, you can knock forever’.

Peace,

T

FH,

‘On a deaf man’s door, you can knock forever’

Jesus said repeatedly: “listen if you have ears”

You are still living in denial of the true source of the problem being the erroneous teachings of your false religion.

Now it's BD's fault that young Muslims blow themselves up in the name of their god Allah after drowning themselves with Qur’anic recitations – believing that they will go straight to an Islamic paradise.

What are you doing as a good Muslim to try stop that carnage of young souls being manipulated by the teachings of your books?

By denying the death and resurrection of Jesus, Islam has shot itself out of religious contest with the true Abrahamic religions.

Mohammad's obvious attempts at abrogating Jesus with himself (as the greatest and last prophet) have brought shame and redicule on Islam for eternity.

The Qur'an cannot be taken seriously when the greatest historical event in humanity - such as the life and death of the Messiah Jesus - is been downgraded to a mere prophetic account...

Questions: What happened to the Injil - that mysterious book that the Qur'an alleged was given to Jesus?

Why is the name Jesus replaced by 'Isa' in the Qur'an? What does Isa mean? Are we talking about the same person here?

What does the word 'Massih' mean to you?

Coach,

Now that OLO have 'free nut bags', I can save the $2 I spend in the nut shop everyday.

Tesbah ala kheir..

Peace,

T

FH,

Sabah el foll wel yasmin - how about answering the questions instead of playing with your nuts?