PROVERBS [and Boaz,] you talk about Christian messages.
What are your views on the one hundred and fifty thousand Iraqui Muslim civilians killed after a born again Christian Commander makes a decision to go to war?

Where does he get his inspiration from?

To be Christian is to be "Christ Like" - no more, no less .

Kartiya Jim, Saddam wqas a criminal of the worst kind. Being sentenced to death by his own people kind of backs this up.
The Christians, as you put it, started trying to make good of the Iraqi situation a good few years ago. The reason Iraq is such a shambles today is thanks to Muslims who are hell bent on destroying their own people and nation (all in the name of god, of course). The fact that you and others blame Bush and the USA everytime suicide bombers mutilate more of their own plays into their hands.

Boazy: "Your holy book curses me, but mine blesses you "As the Father sent me, so I send you" "If you love only those who love you, what is your reward" Jesus wants me to love you, your holy book wants to destroy me for following the One who wants me to love you :) -go figure."

OK. Boazy's book is nicer in some parts than Fellow Human's is. However, they're both ultimately books of stories, written by people.

As usual, Pericles is on the money. Boaz repeatedly posts very suspect - often outright dishonest - stats in this forum in order to draw attention to his odious ideas. When confronted with them, he typically deploys some weaselly rationalisation about how he was misinformed rather than dishonest - and then after a short blissful silence comes back and spouts similar bulldust in another thread.

I seem to read an awful lot of hateful crap in this forum by Christian nutters bagging Islam and/or Muslims, but what I read from Muslim authors and commentators tends to be reasonable and conciliatory. It seems to me that the Christian nutters succeed far better in making Christianity even less attractive to us non-Christians than they do in discrediting Islam.

C J Morgan,
Thanks for steadying old Boazy up.

And yes ,Muslim academics must be more vocal in their oposition to violence anywhere .

Jim

Bush went to war as President of the USA not as a Christian. It's the Muslims who refer to this as a Religious war.

If you really want to understand a religion look at its founder and it's holy book.

A lot of bad things done in the name of Christ have no similarity to what Jesus said or did, or to what is written in the Bible.

A lot of bad things done in the name of Islam reflect the teachings and actions or Mohammed as well as what is written in the Koran, the Hadith and other Islamic Holy books

That is why we we don't hear Muslim academics speaking up because the terrorists are following what was taught by Mohammed and their own holy writings. I would also suggest that a number of these academics agree with the terrorist approach but do not want to show their hand.

Boaz,

I am glad that many other posters can see what you are up to.
Just practice what you believe and be happy and be a 'christ like' as Jim correctly called it. I am sure he wouldn't appreciate deceitful behaviour.

proverbs,

"That is why we we don't hear Muslim academics speaking up"
Muslims scholars and academics (See a sample below) have been speaking against violence for the last 2 decades at least.
My first comment to Abe is that they don't have media space but you can just google it or keep repeating rhetoric comments.

http://www.rayhawk.com/classics/matusa/islam.html
http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm

Peace,

T