Still poking at strawmen eh Bigmal? If climate models were all climate change were about, do you think Rupert Murdoch, Tony Blair and Richard Branson would be talking like latte-sipping dole-bludging terrorist-sympathising bleeding hearts? (trying to talk a lingo you might comprehend)

Instead we've got measurable changes in rainfall, dramatic falls in in arctic sea ice, Siberian tundra degassing, accelerated glacial melts, and fewer frost days (to pick a few symptoms). The dozen or so leading climate models (of which i think CSIRO run 5) are merely efforts to work out what the $%&?#$ is going on, they are irrelevant to the changes in climate already measured.

If you know so much better then put your research on paper and get it published in a reputable journal. Forty years of base ridicule from the likes of you have been decisively contradicted by events and real data, and still you babble on!

They say science advances by funerals, i can't promise i'll send flowers to yours. Thats not a threat, merely reflective of fact that old dogs find it very hard to admit they are wrong/learn new tricks. Prove the cliche wrong Bigmal (and Mr Stone), get a clue.

Liam, you are completely deluded. Haven't you been watching the news on TV these last few years? Haven't you seen the Muslim demonstrators in London, Muslim terrorist attack in London killing over 50 people, among whom there were some Australians? Aren't you aware of the various ways in which the UK is trying to accommodate these fascist bastards?
You can keep denying it all if you like, but one day it is going to be such a huge awakening.
If you lived in London you'd soon see the reality, which you are protected from out here.

Froggie, this Liam character is not only deluded on the Muslim question he has it completely up the creek with is assessment of GW. There is science to rebut, or cast grave doubt as to the relevance of everyone one of his examples. I dont have to do any of it,it already exists.

If he had two neurones to rub together he might have the comprehension to go and look for himself, but when he's too busy peddling invective and "having fun", why would he.

Further he claims that modellers are trying to work out what the f#$%is going on, but he himself is too ignorant to realise that runnng models to better understand a process, is vastly different to making deliberately alarmist projections as to what the temperature will be in 50 years time.

These models have so many assumptions and fudge factors applied to work around what they dont know, that attaching any level of certainty is fool hardy. But then if ones budget is conditional on how great one can make the problem seem to be to the pay masters, then why not engage in exaggeration and distortion.

well said froggy.
thats partly the problem, not to many australians saw the violent demonstartions of thousands of muslims in Engalnd. when people call for the death of their "own" troops you defently have a problem. and that problem does not lay with the generous british people who allowed these war torn people to immigrate, the problem lays completely in the religously fanatic hands of the muslims.
you can not blame social inequality for their behaviour as they fled a war torn country, scared of a bomb that would drop on them or family members, they are in no position to winge , cry racism or all of the above at their "vast improvement" on their previous lives.

any1 who calls for the death of their own troops should amount to treason! (if they want to become part of the country) having the ability to fall under such a law means they are being accepted,this law should be the type of thing the british government should employ, as they can deal with the problem(muslim fanaticism(crazy msulim syndrome or CMS)) yet it comes with some type of inclusion, muslims can feel part of the country to fall under such rules.
the british government should really have a go at something like that, as should our governtment.

I am suprised this author tied the 2 subjects together. im guessing he thought of a catchy heading "A bigger storm is brewing" and just had to go with it.

with climate, im not 100% shaw what the truth is.
but i am 100% shaw that it is a topic that no1 can be skeptical about due to the serious of the possible outcome of such a problem, so action needs to be taken on that ground alone.

I love the shennanigans that go on in these pages -

I am particularly amused by the positions adopted by the racial determinists and those who would seem to spend most of their time quaking under their beds waiting for the hordes of Muslims to come and take us over -

and it is good to see a few youngsters in their ranks - obviously comes immediately to mind - he would have been too young to experience the fear of the commies or even the paranoia associated with the "asianisation" of Australia.

But still I wait for a cogent response to the question - What are we to do with all these Muslims - who it seems pose the greatest threat to mankind since reality TV became popular?

Sure we have proponents of assimilation, forced and un forced, the anti immigration boys and girls and there are those who think a test on Aussie values and english might work -

Those measures might address the few hundred thousand here (in your dreams) - but what exactly do those people whose every waking moment seems to be in fear of Islam propose to do about the other 1.8 billion around the world? Hmmmmm? - if IT and They are so bad - what's the plan - surely you got one

Constant references to the threat they pose suggests far more robust things than the mealy mouthed suggestions made to date - so, where to from here? - any one? ...........crickets chirping is all I hear.

Hi Sneekee
Well since it was you and your mates, promoters of multi-culti "kumbaya" "let's take anyone who wants to come here" who caused the problem, maybe you can come up with a solution.
And by the way, this is nothing at all to do with race, but everything to do with culture and religious belief.
I don't think it is up to us to come up with a solution. Unfortunately for the moderate Muslims, their relative silence in the face of these extremists only tends to harden attitudes in Europe toward them, and make Europeans think they are complicit in these actions.
These actions will only lead to harsh reactions against them if things continue as they are. They certainly need a reformation if they are to drag themselves into the 21st Century.
The Muslims keep harping on about the fact there are about 1.3 billion of them. The rest of the world i.e. non-muslim is therefore about 4.7 billion, thus outnumbering them approximately three to one.
Their incompatibility with our culture makes them more of a problem than their numbers imply. Assimilation does not seem to be possible, as the French, the Dutch and others have discovered.