Rainier & Logic,

Passionate & sensible comments.

Peace,

T

Deary me - the racial determinists have a new champion - Young Obviously - in a matter of a few posts has gone from a timid self declared newbee to a bastion of conservative views and attitudes that ring with echoes of the White Australia policy.

The myths he clings to about race simply are just that - from a genetic point of view there is actually greater differences within racial groups than between them - that is you are more likely to have a vastly different genetic code from the white guy down the street to that of your swarthy Iraqi living in Sheparton or Brunswick - or the sprightly Kenyan chasing Chris Mottram around the park - or the nut bag running North Korea - Isn't that a comforting thought?

Ah how I yearn for the diversity of Brunswick - the shops, the smells the streets where the average chick can be fully outfitted in one shop - Give us a burqua with the lot thanks!

As long as we have kids harbouring the kind of myths cluttering up Obviously's head there is a slim possibility his dire predictions about social disharmony might come true - that is why so many feel compelled to highlight the grave error of his ways.

As for me I still think the Obviously scenario of social uproar is highly unlikely to visit us - like I have said b4 most of this MC drivel has been driven by the irrational fear fostered by the two Bumbling Bees - Bush and Blair - Here like elsewhere the Islamophobia has spiled over into the MC debate and here we all are shooting the breeze together - about pretty much nothing. Go back to your villages

Spider,
"If that happened the other way," (non-white shopholder refusing whites service)IF?? Which country/planet are you living on man? white refusal to serve non-whites happens daily, is part of our 'culture' - Wake UP to yourself!

Logic
First Fleeters used Terra Nullius to claim Aus. They believed there was NOONE pre-extant to them in Australia to have a culture to adopt, hence we now have the First National UK-based (so the Dutch and other Eurotrash foreigners could not claim it for being here first)Culture - but we aren't racist it's just these Abo's don't exist or aren't human - take your pick.

Rainier, (while back)
Unsure if you confused Ghandi with George Bernard Shaw's quote "Chritianity: Possibly a good idea. If anybody tried it"
No so-called 'christian' political leader ever has.

I (mis?)heard Ghandi quoted as saying after someone had handed him a bible while in prison and asked what he thought of Christians - 'Christianity is a wonderful religion. I have yet to meet any Christians in this world'. This must have been after his London Education

Ghandi Quotes:
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
"There are many causes that I am prepared to die for but none that I am prepared to kill for."
"Yes I am (Hindu). I am also a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist and a Jew."
"Where there is ONLY a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence."

Gandhi believed that at the CORE of every religion was Truth and Love (compassion, nonviolence and the Golden Rule). He also questioned hypocrisy, malpractices and dogma in all religions and was a tireless social reformer.

He was prepared to put his life where his mouth was, fasting until his wishes were met by his fellow Indians. He was Assassinated by a Hindu radical after he achieved independence for 600 million Hindu's and Muslim's from British colonialism and demanded his Hindu's abide by the terms of the agreement they made, but were trying to welch out on, with Indian Muslims to separate and reparate, to avoid the deaths of millions...

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Ghandi was educated at University College London (Red will Love that 'fuel' for his 'fire') and became a barrister. Western 'Culture' taught him, through personal experience, who the true racist's are and he developed ALL his major values (and even got his education) courtesy of non-western caste culture and non-western philosophy and religion. In spite of this he was voted runner-up to Albert Einsten as Person of the 20th Century by western culture's Time magazine. A feat neither benjamin or, at the rate he's going Obviously, will ever come close to.

Benjamin and Obviously to note - Ghandi was a 'cesspit' dwelling non-westerner who's values and humanitarian ideas were self-taught, albeit borrowing some of the common features of Humanity even western cultures claim to follow but show scant regard for (like equality towards all men) and could teach you more about humanity than you are ever likely to 'get' at the rate you are going.

I correct myself - benjamin is NOT a maggot - maggots have a Necessary purpose. Maggots do not have free will and an ability to determine truth from fiction that allows them to choose to be unlike the other maggots who only operate from instinct rather than intelligence. A feature benjamin and, from the sounds of his latest posts theme, Obviously, might also share.

If the Policy of Mutliculturalism (hating that word more) allows Australia to be more affected by the likes of Ghandi and less by the likes of Benjamin then it is no bad thing. If what some pose is true however, and all it brings in are reasons for bigot's to thrive and distrust of other cultures, ethnicities, etc. to grow and fester and destroy those values of freedom and tollerance for all who value it, that our fathers fought two world wars for, then, if that sad case is true, it should be stopped now!

How do we decide? By majority vote? Or rational reason? Just who ARE the majority here? (OLO) - and who are the most rational ones?

Logic……. If we had all stuck to your “logic” we would be running around Australia with out any pants on, sticking spears in one another, sleeping in grass huts and eating grasshoppers. Tell me one benefit white Australians have gained from living with aboriginals. (no disrespect to aboriginals, just torpedoing logic) New cultures are welcome as long as the benefits they bring out weight the negative!

I don’t think there is a single culture in the world that can add anything to western culture. I am sure some of you people will say that they can add things “it being nice having them around” and “silly dance routine” or “some stone age ritual” I don’t know how any of these things benefit Australia but according to some they do………….

I think half the problem with people who are pro MC is that they have no sense of nation. A nation is a group of people with common beliefs and attitudes. With this MC is only doing only one thing which is destroying our concept of a Australia as a nation. After all if everybody on earth was so alike we would all be living in peace with a one world government and all peoples would be at almost identical stages in there social and economic frameworks. We are not alike (which is good and bad) and I still have not seen a single argument saying that if we stopped MC tomorrow we will be worse off

Braindrain & Mercurious & Steve Madden,

I'll give it one last attempt, but I'm not surprised by the irrational name-calling, although if I wasn't nice I would complain and have you suspended.

Grow up.

Both have failed miserably to answer, and I suspect the bitter anger towards me reveals you are either supremacist Islamists, or their far leftist allies, or simply incapable.

I will attempt one last time to explain, but if all you do is call me names I will conclude that none of you can show how western values are inferior to those of other cultures, such as the barbaric Indian caste system or Islamic Sharia.

Coupled with your anger, your refusal to answer only shows you know my argument is sound.

You comment on Iraq as a civilisation, thereby bringing genetics into it, a tactic used by racists, revealing your prejudices by commenting that I am asking "what has Iraq done lately?"

How little you understand me, pre-judging me without knowing.

By smearing "my ancestors with mud on their faces", you again reveal racism, bringing skin colour in (if you read my last post you will know that white skin is irrelevent, it's actually quite inferior to be honest, what with melanoma)...some white supremacist I am!

Of course mesopotamia was the cradle, so what? What has inventions of cultures got to do with it? I simply subscribe to the view that westerners live better, in a moral & values sense, and it seems two million non-westerners - who flock to the west each year agree with me.

What makes you so furious about this reality?

You mention the west ripping off technology from the third world, again revealing prejudice yet talk about an ignorace of history! It was the values of the European enlightenment that led to profound discoveries, all of course built on the work of other civilisations, but so what?

I bet your so ignorant you don't know that only 1.5% of all slavery was committed by the west, and that Britain & the U.S actually stopped slavery, at home and abroad, at significant cost...