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After Lebanon: a personal reflection on Israel and Palestine : Comments

By Philip Mendes, published 13/11/2006

There is a huge cultural gulf between Israeli and Palestinian concepts of peace.

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Maybe, I had already somewhere on these pages mentioned a difference between Australia and Israel, Logic: Terra Nullious assumption is a good excuse for at the time annihilating an indigenous population of a strange foreign land while creating own political Christian entity, as Palestine is a historic place of the Jewish nation having nurtured the Bible stories of Christ as the Arabs never ever had got an own state there during all the history recorded.
Posted by MichaelK., Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:55:20 PM
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Boaz,

Your suggestion to the Palestinians isn't that ethnic cleansing?
Is this another "Jesus teaching" that only you know about?

Your suggestion is a mirror image of the Iranian president suggesting jews to relocate to Germany or the US.

Professional help and 'true Orthodox Christian' counselling is the answer to your problems.

Peace,
Posted by Fellow_Human, Wednesday, 15 November 2006 10:02:25 AM
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A talk of a physical volume of a land for the Arabs of Palestine is just distraction from a core issue which is annihilating ALL differenet-the Jews, other outside folks, own Arabic Christians.

That is how it works, BOAZ and Co.
Posted by MichaelK., Wednesday, 15 November 2006 12:10:03 PM
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BOAZ_David
Where in the Quran? You made allegations, find out the facts.
As for your theory; if you were offered an equal value of land but not in Australia (but perhaps nearby) let’s say Indonesia for example only.
How would the YOU react and why?

Logic
Egyptian religion was based on polytheism. A 2006 bioanthropological study on the dental morphology of ancient Egyptians by Prof. Joel Irish shows dental traits characteristic of indigenous North Africans and to a lesser extent Southwest Asian populations.

According to the earliest report of Palestine, the British census of 1914 counted 791,000 in Palestine, comprising 731,000 Arabs and 60,000 Jews.
During the war of 1948; the formation of the State of Israel, the UN (UNRWA) estimates that 711,000 Palestinians fled the country.
In 2000 the UN reported there were 3,737,494 Palestinian Refugees, 1,211,480 are living in Refugee Camps.
ref. http://www.israelipalestinianprocon.org/populationpalestine.html
Posted by Chad, Wednesday, 15 November 2006 3:49:51 PM
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Chad

Jews were already in Egypt during the Roman Empire and probably a long time earlier. At the time Islam did not exist and the Arabs had not yet arrived.

I am not disputing the numbers who left Israel but roughly equal numbers of Jews left discrimination in Islamic nations where they had often lived for centuries before Islam. The departing Jews are no longer refugees but have developed new lives in other countries including Israel and some have become good Australian citizens.

Questions

Why have the Palestinians not achieved the same? Every other post war refugee group - the Germans from Poland and the Sudeten Lands, etc. etc. the Hindus from Pakistan have all succeeded.

Why are Jews criticized for settling in Israel while the armies of Mahomet are not.

Why have Israeli critics failed to acknowledge the difference in treatment between Christians and Muslims in Israel who have legal rights, votes and parliamentary representation while Christians and Jews in the Islamic Middle Eastern nations have not?
Posted by logic, Wednesday, 15 November 2006 6:50:56 PM
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logic

Here is a history of Jewish immigration to Israel

First Aliyah (1882-1903)
Between 1882 and 1903, approximately 35,000 Jews immigrated to Palestine, the majority belonging to the Hibbat Zion and Bilu movements came from Eastern Europe.

Second Aliyah (1904-1914)
Between 1904 and 1914, 40,000 Jews immigrated mainly from Russia to Palestine following pogroms and outbreaks of anti-semitism in that country.

Third Aliyah (1919-1923)
Between 1919 and 1923, 40,000 Jews, mainly from Eastern Europe arrived in the wake of: The First World War; the British conquest of Palestine; the establishment of the Mandate; and the Balfour Declaration.

Fourth Aliyah (1924-1929)
First Aliyah: Biluim wearing traditional Arab headdress, the keffiyeh.
Between 1924 and 1929, 82,000 Jews arrived, many as a result of anti-semitism in Poland and Hungary. The immigration quotas of the United States kept Jews out.

Fifth Aliyah (1929-1939)
Between 1929 and 1939, with the rise of Nazism in Germany, a new wave of 250,000 immigrants arrived, the majority of these, 174,000, arrived between 1933-1936, after which increasing restrictions on immigration by the British made immigration clandestine and illegal, called Aliyah Bet. The Fifth Aliyah was again driven mostly from Eastern Europe as well as professionals, doctors, lawyers and professors, from Germany.

Before the Zionist Movement both Arabs & Jews were living peacefully in Palestine.

To answer your question as to why Palestinians (Arabs) haven’t succeeded I refer you to the Sykes-Picot Agreement of May 16, 1916. Then I ask you is it a coincidence that most Middle Eastern Nations have oppressive regimes and are underdeveloped?
Posted by Chad, Wednesday, 15 November 2006 7:33:31 PM
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