EdwardCav

People are passionate about such outbursts as Hilaly's because it insulted every female in Australia. Do you not feel just a little offended by his remarks ?
He said "Its your fault" to girls, due to immodest dress.

Now.. do you
a) Agree with this ?
b) Disagree ?
c) See any dangers in such statements remaining unchallenged ?

The Muslim we are 'bashing' is Hilaly, just like most of us are also 'bashing' the Werribee thugs. (In fact the WORLD is bashing them.. see YouTube comments)

Islam is a threat to our whole social fabric. (note the word 'Islam') because of views like Hilalys which are in fact "Islamic" views.
A lot of nominal muslims will take issue with what he said, but the place you and all should be looking for the true face/essense of Islam in regard to women is in the Sharia teaching.

See Tahfeem ul Qur'an by Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi, Vol. 2 pp. 112-113 footnote 44; Also see commentary on verses 23:1-6: Vol. 3, notes 7-1, p. 241; 2000, Islamic Publications

It is made clear (just by reading Quran Surah 23:5-7 it is clear) that a man is entitled to be intimate with captive slave girls, as they are his legal "property".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_Slavery#_note-8

The reasoning is "Allah=>Mohammed=>Koran+Hadith+Histories=>Sharia=>Hilaly=>Muslims"

Muslims who speak against him are out of order re Sharia.

There is no such teaching whatsoever in in the Bible which is applicable to today. (The New Testament is our reference for understanding the old regarding Post Christ behaviour).

The position of women in the New Testament is "Husbands love your wives as Christ love the Church" and.. "Treat the younger women as sisters in all purity"
"An Elder of the church must be the husband of ONE wife"

Ah, Mercurius', is it 'unthinkable'? Is that what you call Saudi Arabia, the fact that no other religions are tolerated, the fact that foreigners must wear clothes to fit in with the religious tone of the country? Why then is it so horrifying to imagine an Australia (or western society) without Islam? Did you assume that I was suggesting to wipe out 300,000 people? No sir, tis not the people, tis the religion that is at fault. Now I take it that you are of the breed that would like to sit and discuss, come to some kind of compromise with our friendly Islamic cousins so we can all live in harmony in our lovely country. Cannot be done. A choice must be given, either to live in Australia without any sign of their religion (no mosques, religious clothing etc) or politely leave. "OH, how outrageous" I hear you yell. Actually, no. If you want outrageous, just sit back, do nothing and monitor what happens in Australia (and the western world in general) over the next 25 years in the name of Allah!

Edwardcav won't debate because the facts are undeniable.Tanveer Ahmed was quoted in The Australian saying,"The Mufti meant exactly what he said,and those views are widely held.I did my own little poll this morning,of a security guard and others who are Muslim,and all said they agreed with the Mufti,that he was absolutely right."

Now we have all these left wing hand wringers trying to deny reality because it does not fit well with their ideals.Tanveer is a very courageous man taking them to task like this.The Sheik won't be deposed because most Muslims think exactly like him.It is not the minority as the apologists would have us believe.There is no doubt that we have another "inconvenient truth" to confront and our ignorance will not be blissful.

A message to me from a Sydney Lebanese Muslim on youTube after he said "Aussies can't fight" as a comment on 'Cronulla' video uplodaded there.... and I asserted they can.

QUOTE: (Malik911)
Bla bla bla...All white trash boys are so big in their mouth..
Well what you did after whoever beat the sh_t out of the Steve was not humane either.. Australia is not your land it is aborigignals.. So stop wz your white power trash f____ng country pumpkin attitude you have. I would love to fight wz you..but i am not a fighter i prefer fighting in group like you mentioned 12 against 1 that is my motto. The more you are the stronger you are. We dont care about the honour and sh_t since it has extinct for long time ago. You can see that in Iraq and Afghanistan what you assh_les doing there is same tactic like the lebs have in Sydney. You have USA (world Superpower) and Britain, Italy, Australia,Japan,Germany, Denmark, Canada, Poland, And many more countries who are bombing 2 poor and tiny countries.. DO u call your army for fighting wz justice??
So stuff your sh_t up in your as_. The day your white piece of sh_t goverment stop gangbanging and bombing poor countries like it is now, Then i will fight wz you alone.
You should be ashamed for what you and your ancesstors have done to aborginials...The stolen generation and their land culture.. Can u give them it back??
Retarded Narrowminded Redneck..
UNQUOTE

Note the reference to 'odds'... "12 to 1..thats my motto"

Yep.. tolerance is alive and well in the Lebanese Muslim community.

All this simply underscores the failure of 'Multi-Culturalism' and exposes the political agenda behind it.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20658333-601,00.html

["Leo McLeay, an influential backbencher from his party's Right faction, made no bones about their belief that Hilali should stay and lobbied on his behalf.
They were under pressure from the growing local Muslim community in their neighbouring western Sydney seats of Blaxland and Grayndler.
The Lakemba mosque where Hilali was the spiritual leader was in McLeay's electorate"]

Yes David Boaz,Paul Keating and his Labor Govt betrayed it's own people by giving Sheik Hilali residency against all the advice from ASIO and even those in his own party,just to secure a few seats.I don't think that Mick Keelty or Amanda Vandstone really get either.Nothing has changed as regards immigration policy,in fact there seems to an ignorant abyss of the reality we are now facing.

We have the virus of hateful ignorance in our midst and no one has a clue or the will to confront it.France had 20,000 cars torched along with numerous buildings.Still this violence continues to worsen in terms of police being injured.With fuel set to become more expensive and limitations put on economic activity because of environmental concerns ,we don't need the further pressure of religious/race riots to destroy this great country.

The US stuffing up in Iraq has just generated more extremists.We have to now seek uncompromising,realistic workable solutions since a few bombs in our cities will be nothing compared to the mayhem of civil war.

Arjay, Trueaussie. There are three hundred thousands Muslims in this country. There are 19.7 million non-Muslims. There will never be Sharia law in this country. There isn't even Sharia law in Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim nation.

Of course I don't want Sharia here. I'm not a Muslim. Of course the Sheik should be told to stop. We've all told him that. He's as finished as Peter Hollingworth was finished when the s* hit the fan for him. Oh sure, the Sheik will do just like Hollingworth did; he'll stall, he'll say he's done nothing wrong, various cronies will make a half-hearted attempt to justify and explain his actions; but in the end, he'll be forced out, just like the GG was.

So Arjay, the line in the sand has been drawn. Just take a breath and calm down. The constant wild-eyed hue and cry about "the Muslims are comin'!" and your talk of civil war and Trueaussie implying there'll be Muslim conquests here in 25 years; it's every bit as nutty as the Sheik's pronouncements.

This monomaniacal obsession with what Muslims are doing is blinding you to the thousands of rapes that happen every year around Australia - committed by non-Muslims. Where is your outrage over the girl attacked in her own home in Newington? Lauren Huxley? The Werribee gang assault last week? Or are some rapes worse than others in your eyes?