Yawn .... most of the contributors to this 'debate' have merely perpetrated abusive anti-feminist rhetoric that confirms the reality of family violence that many women and children experience. None of you could even manage to engage in any meaningful way with Happy's clearly enunciated critique of your political strategies aimed at silencing those who challenge your power. Your are just too boring ...

Viviane,

"Yawn .... most of the contributors to this 'debate' have merely perpetrated abusive anti-feminist rhetoric that confirms the reality of family violence that many women and children experience. None of you could even manage to engage in any meaningful way with Happy's clearly enunciated critique of your political strategies aimed at silencing those who challenge your power. Your are just too boring ... "

Viviane, what is being confirmed by your post is some of the claims about the dishonest approach by some feminists to the issue. Kind of makes it hard for feminists who are serious about equality to be taken seriously.

No attempts by yourself or Happy to address the independant statistics on child abuse referenced to by myself and others, rather a broadscale slander of all who oppose the myth of overwhelming genderisation in child abuse.

Child abuse is not a gender issue, the sooner those seeking to misuse the issue for that purpose stop doing so the sooner we might be able to do more to protect children from the abusers.

Do you have anything to contribute?

R0bert

viviane

It is always good to see a new opinion on OLO, unfortunately you have provided nothing.

I take issue with Happy's assertion " The fact is that the standard of proof in family court is just about impossible to attain, particularly for child sexual abuse, therefore, allegations are not substantiated. This doesn't mean the allegation has been proven wrong. It just means that the abuser has gotten away with it."

If allegations are not substantiated then they cannot be acted on. I can allege you are a hairy legged lesbian but until I can prove it this is just an allegation.

An allegation is a statement of a fact by a party in a pleading, which the party claims it will prove. Allegations remain assertions without proof, only claims until they are proved.

Is sexual assualt hard to prove? I think not. Agreed most perpetrators of sexual assault are men, but false assertions must be proven.

Viviane, are you saying that we must accept feminist research without question?

Are you saying we must accept feminist doctrine without questioning?

How come it is socially, legally acceptable to critise and challange men no matter how inappropriate it maybe.

Feminists promote the idea of equality, human rights and social justice, but only when selectively applied to women. Are men to be excluded from Equality, human rights and social justice?

Men are often critised for not communicating? do we have to have a special board which rules what is acceptable and not acceptable for men to communicate about?

Over the last four decades men have been on the receiving end of extreme negative publicity. I initially supported feminism and a few decades of reading and studying I no longer support the corrupted form of feminism it has become.

Viviane “Yawn . . . . ” posted 2:30:50 PM

The first word of your first post, Viviane.

Obviously you are overdue for your afternoon nap.

As for your criticism of other posters, when you can come up with something to justify the misanthropic attitude of Elspeth McInnes, then please produce it. Until then, you will remain what I suspect you are, a “one post and begone” troll.

Close the door on your way down to troll-world.

Perhaps McInnes and posters taking part in this discussion may wish to ponder these very recent, fresh articles -

BBC
Mother spared jail for baby death
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/6076112.stm

Despite the fact that this mother murdered her baby in some sort of demented frenzy - "depression" they called it, legitimising infanticide - any normally conscienced person, with only a spoonful of human morality must know that this was a most horrible and heinous crime. Despite that, the mother gets sympathy and is "spared" jail. I ask you where is the justice?

Is this the justice that McInnes seeks - a woman can do no wrong and is ALWAYS the victim?

Then in contrast consider this next development inspired by Iemma in NSW -

The Australian
Children to be removed from dangerous homes
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20635779-2702,00.html

Hmm, I wonder if Iemma understands exactly what Pandora's box he is opening here? The results could be an example of political correctness shooting itself in the foot. I can't think that McInnes will be pleased by this development if she understands who is really the perpetrator of the majority of child abuse. Only time will tell.