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Integration or disintegration: a test for immigrants : Comments

By Bill Muehlenberg, published 22/9/2006

Simple demands: they should have lived here for four years; they should know a bit about Australian history and values; and they should be able to speak English.

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Snout

Your comments are so true about our artists poets etc.
So why don't we teach those subjects in our schools?
What is wrong with us that we don't value those men and women as highly as our current sportsmen. (Yep that was deliberate.)
etc etc etc
Posted by keith, Thursday, 28 September 2006 7:09:53 PM
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This is possibly spinning way off the current thread, keith, but I reckon if there was more literature and art taught in schools - not only "Australian" or European but from all cultures - there'd be a lot less trouble with fundamentalism.

Kids would learn how to read and be nourished by mythos, instead of having myths used as a tool to control their thinking. This is a skill which transcends culture.

Maybe this is the key to integration.
Posted by Snout, Thursday, 28 September 2006 8:47:04 PM
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Boaz,

On my reading of your prolific comments on this website, I'm not optimistic about your receptiveness to thew following advice - but it needs to be said anyway:

Stick to areas in which you have some real expertise (e.g. Christian evangelism or electronic motors), rather than more challenging intellectual fields like history, sociology and anthropology. Your various rants in the latter areas do little to enhance your credibility.

Best wishes :)
Posted by CJ Morgan, Thursday, 28 September 2006 10:16:57 PM
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Boaz,

I disagree with CJ there. Although some of your posts seem a bit "out there" to me, you always seem genuine and you're not thin skinned or abusive. Sometimes I even agree with you! I'd actually like a bit LESS of the Christian evangelism.

Cheers, mate:
Posted by Snout, Friday, 29 September 2006 4:41:32 PM
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The post that had the transcript from Insight where the racist bigot Wassim Dourahei, leader of the vile Islamist organisation Hizbut-Tahrir, admitted that Muslims can never be democratic.

Notice how all the self proclaimed "moderates" didn't say a word? Wouldn't one say "he doesn't speak for me" in that instance?

Interesting.

Then again, most of us already know where most Muslim leaders stand on these issues from their bigoted comments.

People say things like, we are all different but can get along.

I disagree.

I believe there are values which are correct and those that aren't, and how we come to this conclusion is through reason, not some childish nonsense that some deity told you so.

It's alright to respect that but only in the sense that your values aren't imposed on, which in the case of Muslims, clearly are.

People are starting to see through the nonsense that everyone is different, multiculturalism is great.

We are all the same, we all, when it really comes down to it, want to live democratically. Some, particularly many Muslims, are so racist they can't even see it.

They have already voted with their feet to be in a western nation, yet long for the backward Sharia. This is a reaction to globalisation, they're identity is being eroded.

But why shouldn't it?
Posted by Benjamin, Sunday, 1 October 2006 4:53:40 PM
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Even if there was no western world, and the whole world was a Taliban state, eventually women would march for their rights, people would want freedom of conscience, and so on.

That is what the west is, a process of a search for truth.

People think we have no culture because we aren't materialistic when it comes to spirituality. We don't have to have cloth on our heads, we don't bow five times a day, we don't need to put useless tradition in the way, for it is all inside.

Spirituality can't be found in following a particular set of rules in the physical world, that is alien to the whole idea of spirituality.

The west appears as nothing because it is ever evolving. Our physical appearances, hairstlye, dress, constantly alter because they aren't important in that sense, our substance is our values. One can't describe a western appearance because it is constantly changing, although the values are concrete.

When you really think about it, it is only the western cultures that truly have substance, which is why there is no need to observe petty rituals or have a particular dress (physical symptoms).

After all, what does the western world take from other cultures apart from their food?
Posted by Benjamin, Sunday, 1 October 2006 4:54:21 PM
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