Celivia..in essence I agree with you about the slanderous attacks..if you read back you will see that that was my position..but this troll person kept up his smear campaign and it did get the better of me..thats not wrong however..He comes into an Australian forum and is just plain ugly to Steve and Australians and Australia in general.
Even though a couple of pple on here were mincing words and even though I thought it futile, I completely understood why..and I agreed in sentiment at least.We are all Australians and should stand by each other and Im not embarrassed that I engaged this person..hes a troll for heavens sake.I stood up for Steve and Australia..and we ought to have more Aussie spirit in this country not less..Americans supported Steve Irwin far more than us Aussies ever did..thats why he was overseas in America fighting for his cause , because America loved and supported him...whereas a lot of Aussies saw him as an embarrassment.When you love someone.. you stand by them.

If Steve children ever found themselves reduced to going over old OLO posts(heaven forbid ..they would be busy hopefully doing dads work) that at least they would see that Aussies did stand up for their dad when he was least able to speak for himself and they would be heartened by that.

It is completely the AUSTRALIAN WAY TO STAND UP for those who cannot stand up for themselves..dont u agree?

If you go back over your post you will see your language was inflammatory ..please soften your language and your tone..it will prevent misunderstandings from occurring..you could have said exactly the same thing with a more respectful,a less patronising tone. My sister does this ,we dont get on.
Yes you were right but also wrong.

Great u have things to 'do'.You do an awful lot of research for this forum...how do you fit it in?:)

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Robert... when did you change your name to Celivia?:)
FYI Celivia has taken aim at me before, let it go for civility sake.

I have to say Celivia..u sound about 100 right now!?.

Ah Elida, I can identify with your concern for the lungfish. The proposed dam is not a stand-alone problem. Rather it is a symptom of bigger ones.
Whether or not the dam goes ahead, under "business as usual" for economic growth (of which increasing human numbers is the major factor), the lungfish will eventually be kaput. Economic growth will irretrievably disturb its environment one way or another; not least by climate change.
Crocodiles, empowered by humanity's recent friendly face (as facilitated by Steve Irwin), are marching south. For all we really know, they could already have a presence in the Brisbane River. Assisted by warmer temperatures for breeding, there is likelihood of an increasing population of them as far south as Maryborough and Bundaberg.
Under pressure from their own numbers, some will be paddling and waddling upstream to have lungfish for breakfast.
Lets hear it for native biota generally: Lungfish, turtles, insects, the lowly fungi which underpins almost everything - all of which are under threat, and each no less important than the more flamboyant big scaly.

Colinsett, I have only once seen a lung-fish in the 80’s at what I know now was the Mouth of the Mary River, friends had taken myself and 2 youngest children, possibly to see the small creature. It had been confiscated by fisheries inspectors, or water police [ I had met some of them & had not realized their area covered such a wide span] Still, at that time I did not understand what the fuss was about.

Flamboyant big scaly, has his dedicated followers who would enjoy having them spread to the Mary & Brisbane River System. They actually helped then into the Fitzroy when the 1990 flood, as they claimed the poor old fella might drown if left in his cage. He may have ended up at the Yeppoon Zoo, where another scaly breeder enjoys a lot of television News Time. He made a point of introducing his nephew & self to me at the last Rockhampton Show, now how is that for business promotion, to one who dislikes the critters, and the Government that refuses to remove from parts of the river people do use.

OZGIRL, "Robert... when did you change your name to Celivia?:)"

It's still me.

I do stick my nose in from time to time when I think someone is being badly misunderstood. Not always, only so many posts a day and I only do it when I'm fairly confident that I'm right. You and Celivia have both brought some interesting material to a number of threads, I'll be saddened to see you at each others throats over a misunderstanding. There's enough genuinely nasty types out there.

Part of the process on these threads involves disagreements from time to time with people who you might often find yourself agreeing with in other places. Scout and I have disagreed on a number of threads, sometimes fairly strongly but we have managed (most of the time) to maintain what I percieve to be a healthy level of respect for one another. A friend who I've not met in person.

I think that these forums are much easier to deal with if you only notice an attack if it is clearly spelt out. It also helps to be able to put that history aside when the poster has something good to say. Relax and enjoy the debate and don't let it get to you.

Sometimes when you are attacked you will wonder what you did to deserve being attacked, I've still not worked out why Wendy went for me on the other thread but that is just part of the way it is around here.

I've appreciated the times you answered my concerns with an answer rather than defense.

Cheers
R0bert

PTBI,

Your posts add a bit of spice to what can otherwise be a pretty bland meat and potatoes opinion site. We in Australia have own very own National Treasure Troll. Although she lives mostly in England now, she has proven reliable at whacking the hornets nest of Australian culture (often at the most inappropriate times and in the most outrageous manner) and I, for one, will be very sad when she hangs up her length of 4x2.

For many other posters on this thread, can I suggest checking out this site before ordering the nukes on Jakarta?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Elida, I understand what you're saying - but Steve hadn't finished yet, I figure. We will never find out what else he would have done. I hope Terry (and their kids) will seriously think about taking conservation further.

Very good advice, RObert. You're right to say that it would be a shame to let a misunderstanding wreck a discussion.

OZGIRL,
it's cool. I guess it's very hard not to get 'sucked in' by trolls.
Really- I think it is best not to 'feed' trolls- they get pleasure out of people's anger and defence; they don't deserve our attention.

I suppose I can't please everyone- nobody can. I am who I am.

RObert is right- we both care about animal welfare and I don't have any hard feelings towards you.
OZGIRL, it's best to move on and look forward to the discussions we have on OLO ;)