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To be 'Mossie' or 'Aussie' - that's the question! : Comments

By Nayeefa Chowdhury, published 7/9/2006

Are Islam and Australia values mutually exclusive?

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I am currently reading Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book "The Caged Virgin", and have almost finished it. Ali is critical of the widespread use of female genital mutilation. However, sadly for her supporters here, she admits it is a tribal practise and isn't supported by Islamic texts.

Also troubling for her new sponsors at the American Enterprise Institute, Ali supports free availaility of abortion. I wonder how that will go down with the FoxNews types in the "land of the free" ...
Posted by Irfan, Thursday, 14 September 2006 12:24:18 AM
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Irfan, re your reply to mickijo. Am sure there were Jewish people in the 'thirties who couldn't beleive later that what happened in Germany; happened.
Do you remember the film "Ship of Fools"?
I don't believe what has happened in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Darfor, Congo, Nicaragua, El Salvador and other places in our time will happen here either, but don't underestimate the damage the rednecks are capable of, just the same.
Seriously.
As for Nayeefa, I'd love to sit down and have a listen to your impressions of different parts of the world and life in general. You'd be worth fifty of the drongos who infest blogs like these across Australia.
Posted by funguy, Thursday, 14 September 2006 12:30:42 AM
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YngNLuvnIt, Your entitled to your opinion of me, after all you can only judge by what I write and that's fine by me. I concentrate on monotheism, because it's the major problem in the world at this time. If it were atheists, Hindu, Buddhists, Jedi Knight, dimensionalists, or any other ideology then I would be hounding them, for their unevolved barbarity towards life on this planet of all kinds.

I spent a lot of my life preaching biblical crap, until I got to see and understand what was really written. By whom, the time frames, the historical and geographic facts. I couldn't care how many factors are destroying the world its your belief in Yahweh leading the way to destruction, with increasing zeal.

If monotheism of any faction was truly peaceful then irrelevant as to what I think of it, I would support and applaud it. As I do anything having decent results for all and not just a few self-centred fools fighting each other all the time.

Nayeefa, along with all commenting monotheists on this thread only show a desire to be right, irrelevant as to how the sane people of the world see their religious expressions that try to enforce dress, customs, laws, morals and violence upon us, whilst trying to look cool.

Monotheists can't concede any part of their beliefs may be wrong, as its so fragile in its veracity, any accepted chink, will bring the entire delusion crashing down. That's why the followers of god can never be trusted, unlike unbelievers they have everything to lose.

So you can never be a mossie and an Aussie, nor a true christian, Jew and be an Aussie,.Your first priority is to your god. To say otherwise is to say your belief isn't strong enough, or your a hypocrite and liar to your god, yourself and everyone else. Sounds typically monotheistic.

Well said funguy, its good to have equals to communicate with isn't it.
Posted by The alchemist, Thursday, 14 September 2006 1:24:50 PM
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Hi Nayeefa,

I think that we really all need to get over this islam is great, aussies are sluts mentality. It saddens me to see that this sentiment is still prominant in how islamic people percieve "true blue" aussies to be.

"There is no doubt that there are some elements in Islam that stand in stark contrast to the Australian pop-culture of pornography, gambling, alcoholism, and drug addiction."

You complain in your article that people stereotype muslims to be suicide bombers, war hungry jihad crazy villians that are against the western world, yet you make stupid misguided generalisations about western cutlure such as the quote above. This article was nothing more than a in-direct sale into the pureness of Islam vs the "harram" driven culture of Aussies. Why do you bother honestly? Do you even know many "aussies"? Most of my friends happen to be Australians and guess what? None of the are junkies, alcoholics or obsessed with playboy magazines. In fact they are all university educated and doing quite well in life.

You cant just take a few rednecks from a current affair, or a hand full of "aussies" from sydney's poverty stricken western suburbs and genralise the whole population to be the same. Who are you or any muslim to say that Islam is the pure perfect way of life and other cultures are just infested with wrong values and morales?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with consuming alcohol responcibly. Just because it is not apart of your culture / religion / hadith scriptures, doesnt mean its wrong. Likewise with drugs (of which Aussie soceity itself frowns upon, not the other way around). Nuditity is something that most western cultures have gotten over along time ago! No offence, but if we didnt get over nutidy then please explain to me how doctors would perform surgery on diening patients?...
Posted by kish, Thursday, 14 September 2006 2:56:50 PM
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cont...

Now some of the anti-islam posts are a touch over the top here, but your condesending article on Australian culture is very uncalled for. No one is stopping you from you beliefs, if you wish to quitely think that your beliefs are the pinnacle of good values and Australians are nothing more than drug addicted "sluts" then by all means keep it to yourself. But dont come on a public forum and stereotype / insult Australian culture in a tone that suggests islam could never adhere to such disgusting values, consider stepping across to islam and your life will be saved.

Your just as bad as the Australians that look at the hijab and start yelling our terrorist! We don't need anymore martyr's preaching the goodness of god, everyone here knows what religion is, if they wish to adhere to it, then im sure by now they would have! I would also like to add that if Australian culture is a little too much to bear, if you feel the corruption of Aussie "values" is an insult to your beliefs, I hear plane tickets back to india are on special!

Funnily enough, one of my best friends is also bhangladeshi and quite religious at that, and not once since I have known her has she ever tried to soft sell me islam or put down Australian culture / grossy exagerate austrlaian culture to such contraversial depths. I really think you need to "get out a little more" if this is the backwards, narrow minded, misguided perception you have of "aussies".
Posted by kish, Thursday, 14 September 2006 3:07:15 PM
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There is such opinion existing broadly:

"Reality is no deal with them [islamists] possible.

Convincing them is unthinkable.

Communicating tolerantly-suicidal.

Those thinking differently are self-betraying."

Oriana Fallacci
Posted by MichaelK., Friday, 15 September 2006 12:37:49 PM
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