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To be 'Mossie' or 'Aussie' - that's the question! : Comments

By Nayeefa Chowdhury, published 7/9/2006

Are Islam and Australia values mutually exclusive?

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Tony Kevin,
I will not apologise for speaking the truth. As to this book Ornament of the World. Let me state some of my own oberservations of history. I've stated them before but obviously you havent seen them.
Last 56years of history-:
TERRITORIAL MASSACRE OF THE JEWS IN GERMANY
ATTEMPT AT TERRITORIAL TAKEOVER OF AUSTRALIA BY JAPAN
TERRITORIAL MASSACRE IN SOMALIA
TERRIORIAL MASSACRE IN BOSNIA
TERRITORIAL MASSACRE IN RWANDA
LONG TERRORIST CAMPAIGN TO TAKE CONTROL OF IRELAND BY THE IRA
TERRITORIAL MASSACRE OF THE KURDS BY CHEMICAL GASES BY SUDDAM HUSSEIN
TERRITORIAL GRAB FOR KUWAIT BY SUDDAM
TERRITORIAL MASSACRE IN EAST TIMOR
DEMAND FOR SEPARTIST STATE IN RUSSIA BY CHECHYNA
THE TAMIL TIGERS
THE MASSACRES IN SUDAN
THE SHIITES AND SUNNIS KILLING EACH OTHER OVER TERRITORIAL OF IRAQ
THE TERRITORIAL DOGFIGHT BETWEEN THE JEWS AND THE ARABS IN MIDDLE EAST
World War one started in a multicultural Germany when the German Kaiser went down to visit the Serbian Section and was assinated. The Serbs called on Russia to assist them and then France and England were pulled into it also.
I think that maybe the culture of tolerance in this book you speak of needs more research because it sure flies in the face of history.
Of course these multicultural societies can succeed if their is enourgh assimilation, or they can succeed for a few generations until some kind of territorial pressure such as overpopulation and scare rescources or one tribe acheiving numerical dominance suddenly wants to rule. It confounds me how you can look at history and not see the truth of it. If we are ever going to have world peace we have to come at it from a true perspective of whats causing it.
Posted by sharkfin, Sunday, 10 September 2006 4:16:03 PM
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To Tony kevin,
I make no apology for speaking the truth. As for the book "Ornament of the World" I would like to draw your attention to the last56 years of world history which I have stated before but you obviously havent seen it.
TERRITORIAL MASSACRE OF THE JEWS IN GERMANY
ATTEMPTED TERRITORIAL TAKEOVER OF AUSTRALIA BY THE JAPANESE
TERRITORIAL MASSACRE IN SOMOLIA
TERRITORIAL MASSACRE IN BOSNIA
TERRITORIAL MASSACRE IN RWANDA
TERRITORIAL MASSACRE OF KURDS BY SUDDAM HUSSEIN
TERRITORIAL GRAB OF KUWAIT BY SUDDAM
LONG BLOODY TERRITORIAL CAMPAIGN BY THE IRA FOR CONTROL OF IRELAND
TERRITORIAL MASSACRE IN EAST TIMOR
DRIVING OF CHINESE BUSSINESS PEOPLE FROM SOLOMONS
DEMANDS FOR SEPRATIST STATES LIKE CHECHYNA IN RUSSIA
TAMIL TIGERS
TERRITORIAL FIGHT BETWEEN THE JEWS AND THE ARABS IN MIDDLE EAST
TERRITORIAL FIGHT BETWEEN SUNNIS AND SHIITES FOR CONTROL OF IRAQ
WHEN THE BRITISH PULLED OUT OF INDIA -FIGHT FOR CONTROL OF INDIA BY TWO RELIGIOUS TRIBES THE SIEKS AND HINDUS
TAKING OF TERRITORY AND GOLDMINE IN WEST PAPUA BY THE INDONESIANS
The first world war came out of a multicultural society when the German Kaiser went down to visit the Serbian section and was asassinated.
I suggest that your book about this utopian society needs further research because it certainly flies in the face of history.
Multicultural societies can work as long as enough assimialtion(INTERMARRIAGE) takes place; or they can work for a few generations until some kind of territorial presssure arises, like overpopulation
or the attaining of large numbers by a a tribe who then wants territorial control.
Unless we start to face the real reasons for war instead of thinking it'S about some vague intolerance we cant begin to find solutions.
Posted by sharkfin, Sunday, 10 September 2006 4:42:09 PM
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YngNLuvnIt, wrote: Atheism can be a part of a religion.

As an Atheist I am confused. My bible, the Oxford dictionary, gives this definition of religion.

1 the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.  a particular system of faith and worship.
2 a pursuit or interest followed with devotion.

Please explain as I have never been aware that I worship any gods or supernatural powers.
Posted by Rhys, Sunday, 10 September 2006 5:10:25 PM
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Mercurious

Thank you for excellent posts, sometimes reading the discussion on threads like this I am at an absolute loss at what to say. I really wonder if people like coach have ever actually known a Muslim person, or maybe they are the types who say 'some of my best friends are muslim, but they're different'. You are exactly right in saying that they will find someone to fear and hate in the future.

Frankly, I couldn't care less if Australia is a Muslim nation within a hundred years or whatever, its just history and progression. I just hope for true progress, higher living standards, a cleaner environment, less war, who cares about race? Happiness is what counts.
Posted by Carl, Sunday, 10 September 2006 5:37:36 PM
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Carl,

That would mean you are as unconcerned for a white Australia as a muslim nation. Provided that living standards are up to scratch a white australia is as palatable as an islamic state. Is this correct?
Posted by hells angel, Sunday, 10 September 2006 7:14:02 PM
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Hells angel,

Well, I am an agnostic who is very much against the mingling of any church and state, actually, I'm not a fan of religion at all and would be happiest if we were 100% secular, however I am not very confident this will happen.

I would be appalled to have any form of theocratic form of govt. in Australia, be it Islamic, Christian or whatever. What I hope for is a better democracy. One where we actually control the use of our resources, where we have a truly independant media and a society that values education and hope over ignorance and fear.

If our society moves towards these goals in the future, but the demographics have changed and it so happens that the majority of Australians are Islamic, I would not be in the least bit bothered.

I hope this clarifies my position for you.
Posted by Carl, Sunday, 10 September 2006 8:43:37 PM
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