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Battle for the Kingdom of Heaven continues : Comments

By Sheree Joseph, published 10/8/2006

Muslims and Christians must learn to work together as a unified body in the Middle East.

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As humans our spirit reflects the very nature of the God in which we believe. Compare the nature of the characters from the sourse material of Moses, Christ Jesus and Mohamet. Their very life and actions reflected what they believed about God.

F_H seems to wish to take us back to some pagan understanding of the god who is remote and unknowable and is not a God as Christians see expressed in our lives. We are then merely doing things to appease that cellestrial God. Christianity has moved out of that view to the reality that God is incarnate in his children. He is revealed in our right living. For Christians to now revert to some pagan perception that God is a remote being in a physical heaven where hundreds of doe-eyed virgins are waiting for martyrs destroys the very revelation of Christ Jesus. The kingdom of God is within the heart, mind and being, not some afterlife reward.

Until all can agree on character, behaviour and attitudes of how God is expressed in our human lives there will not be a uniting of the three faiths. It must renounce sinful actions and behaviours as not reflecting the pure nature of God [especially violence]. Currently Islam prefers to use criminals to expand their influence - note the current problems in prisons as a fertile ground for jihad against Western society.
Posted by Philo, Tuesday, 22 August 2006 8:55:45 PM
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God has reconciled us to himself, in Christ, and has imparted this gift by the Spirit.
Let's live in the new reality, now, by grace, by faith, at peace, forever. (Amen).
Posted by tennyson's_one_far-off_divine_event, Tuesday, 22 August 2006 11:01:14 PM
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Scout and Turnright,

Great to read your postings as always. You are absolutely right: as much as I studied the Bible and the Qu'ran I never saw the difference in contexts and scripts. Its all in personal philosophies and human greed. History taught us that 14 centuries ago an Abyssinian Christian King defended the Muslims and told them 'The difference between us is hairthin'. Salahuddin repeated a similar statement to Christians and Jews in Jerusalem when defending them from the French mercenaries "the prophet would do the same".

Anyway, the beauty of OLO is we can have roses and the opposite of roses: so we have scout, reason, turnright, robert..and we still have the coaches, the 'philo'sophers, the boazes...etc..

Coach and Philo,

You quoted:
"There is one God, one truth, one way to the kingdom of heaven that belongs to Him" "Jesus has done away with that concept and Has sacrificed himself for humanity" "Those who refuse to “get it” are doomed. The key to heaven is Jesus. Not religion"
"Until all can agree on character, behaviour and attitudes of how God is expressed in our human lives there will not be a uniting of the three faiths"

My comment

Maybe there is a good reason to religions being spiritual and not physical laws that can be tested by an Eisntein-created formula.
Debating religions is sterile and the proof is this: few thousands years later they are all still here!
The irony is: Your approach of 'repent or else' is identical to the very people we criticise: Islamist militant.
Posted by Fellow_Human, Wednesday, 23 August 2006 11:01:31 AM
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Fellow_Human,

The main difference between me and you is honesty.

I call it as it is. You hide behind the scouts and roberts of this world.

Be a man and acknowledge the sad truth of your mak-believe religion.

I read the Qur'an too and in Arabic (unlike your protégés) and I can quote you book and verse but that is not my style.

Christians are encouraged to criticise and scrutinise their scriptures. Muslems are not because their faith would be compromised if they start questioning their Allah-inspired version of truth.

Sorry but the ruse and malice can only take you so far. Intelligent people can read and research.

Yes heaven belongs to (only) the followers of Jesus. Why? because the bible tells me so. The same bible that your Qur'an is supposed to respect and confirm.

Ironic don't you think. (oops forgot you're not allowed to think)
Posted by coach, Wednesday, 23 August 2006 3:14:19 PM
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Again with the kettle/pot trouble coach…

“Christians are encouraged to criticise and scrutinise their scriptures.”

So, where in all your raving has this occurred? And try not to start in with the insensible ‘I follow Jesus, not religion’ waffle.

I would be curious as to where you pray besides home? Do you have a group you worship with?
Posted by Reason, Thursday, 24 August 2006 9:46:45 AM
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Let me try this one Coach,

You quoted the following:

"The main difference between me and you is honesty"
"I call it as it is. You hide behind the scouts and roberts of this world"
"Be a man and acknowledge the sad truth of your mak-believe religion"

'honestly', and 'if I want to call it as it is', the only 'sad truth' is that Jesus calls himself a prophet in the Bible :):)

1. Sermon of the mount: 'Jerusalem murderer of prophets'
2. Only the father knoweth when is judgement day, I don't
3. 'God why have you foresaken me'

You don't need to debate Jesus prophethood in the Quran, they are obvious enough in the bible. Just re-read it carefully on your own.

Anyway, I disagree with your theology but I don't judge you and I will fight to death your right to practice it. Can you do the same?
Posted by Fellow_Human, Thursday, 24 August 2006 5:51:40 PM
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