From the nature of women posting here it is evident of those who enjoys their children and those that find children a chore and hinderance. It does reflect on the state of society and the value and love of the children and essentially how we view life.

Someone made a claim earlier that women abort 400 times in their life this is such nonsense. If a woman fell pregnant everytime she ovulated her menstrual cycle would be so irregular that she should seek medical help. Ovulation is not abortion as seems to be the suggestion. If every possible ovulation was a pregnancy a woman could not have more than 40 full term pregnancies. I have yet to meet such a woman. I once knew a woman who has 26 children and that seems about the full length of her childbearing years. No! she was not Catholic and that was before contraception. She lived in country NSW.

James

The only thing that is offensive is your crude langauge.


I will try to dig up the book and post you the name.

I beleive it was actually a man for memory so you cant claim the ladies are ganging up on you.

He also said if confronted with these facts some become outraged.

what is it that really draws you James to this debate.

Is it the control,/ religion? or are you one of these men.

Somebody posted that the women in tribes many years ago used plants to ensure they did not carry an unwanted pregnacy.

I think it was actually meant to be insulting.

In fact it showed that sensible choices have been made by women for thousands of years.

Secret womens business from the begining of time.


My reference to the churches and sexual abuse that has followed them

was simply a matter of record and not meant to personally offend anybody.
Its really Simply none of your business James.

Thats the point.

I appreciate you dont agree with me and respect that.

Likewise please respect not all women want kids and if they do they

will decide when to start a family,

not you or anybody else.

I guess it does have a funny side James however to you it would be water over the '' head.

This drug is used as a morning after pill.

Your compashion for something smaller than a grain of rice is typical of the church position.

You have no such compashion for the cries from the unbeleibale cruelty of live exports and intensive farming.

They just sit back and ignore it.

It would be hard to enflict equal pain and suffering on something smaller than a grain of rice James.

Dont talk to me about right and wrong
.
What a joke!

The higher moral ground of your lot makes me sick.

Philo said " I once knew a woman who has 26 children .............. and that was before contraception." My goodness Philo you must be old, I think contraception has been widely practised since the 1920s.

billie,
That was in the 1950's and the eldest child was then in her late 60's.

Col, somehow I just knew you would only read the paragraphs that were about you. Put away the red dress – you had me at Doh?!

Grand-standing was totally unintended and regretful - I’ll leave that in your very capable hands in future, and sincerely hope the lucky ladies never stop queuing for you;-)

Philo, it was me who put forward the argument of the 400 and clearly
its gone above your head yet once again!

Yup, most women could produce around 400 little zygotes, so creating
life is easy peazy, nothing magical about it. Fact is the hard part
is the raising, feeding and educating and doing it well.

Having children is not about production line creation, whether its
15 or 30 etc. Whether you love children has little to do with that too. Fact is that modern technology has enabled women to decide when to have children and how many they would like to have, feed, educate and nurture. They should have that choice and its in fact
a win win situation all round!

One of the major differences between us and the third world is
exactly due to that choice. In the West, women can limit their
kids production to 2 or 3, give them the attention, resources, education etc that they need in today's world. In the third world,
where catholic politics still matters, hundreds of millions are
denied that choice. The result is hunger, unneeded suffering
and much misery.

Your problem is really a philosophical one. You have yet to get your
mind around the fact that people can love children and decide to
only have a couple of well educated ones, rather then be forced to
breed like rabbits, a whole lot of hungry, uneducated, starving ones.

My point is clear. If your partner flushes eggs down the toilet every month, all which could have turned out to be cute kids, there is little difference to flushing zygotes away. Neither feels pain,
neither suffers, its just the realities of life and as Darwin pointed out, far more potential beings will be produced, then can
ever survive. Ignore the laws of nature at your peril.