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Relations in the fog : Comments

By Roger Smith, published 5/7/2006

To love Indonesia, the country, is not the same as to deny the existence of corruption and human rights violations.

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@2bob:

LOL, let me help clarify some of your misunderstanding and hence help further your education, mate:

1)Your INTERFET troops in East Timor in 1999 were just tourists holidaying in the tropics. The accomodation and transportation needs of these Aussie tourists are arranged by the friendly Indonesian soldiers for three months before our departure according to our own timetable. During our departure ceremony, your own commander Cosgrove thanked us for making the vacation of Aussie soldiers in East Timor an enjoyable one.

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INDONESIAN SOLDIER GIVING WARM WELCOME TO AUSSIE TOURIST IN DILI, 1999

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INDONESIAN SOLDIERS DRIVE AUSSIE TOURIST IN SIGHT-SEEING TOUR OF DILI, 1999

2)During the Confrontation, Australia was merely an insignificant stooge of Britain, accounting for less than 10% of total force faced by Indonesia. Most of Indonesia's opponents then were British soldiers, British SAS and Gurkhas. I guess the Brits considered Australian troops to be too inferior to face the superior skills of Indonesian soldiers.

3)Indonesia never "lose" the Confrontation, which was a policy we took to help the Malaysian Chinese communist rebels when Indonesia was aligning itself with China and the communist bloc. However, the Chinese communist state, greedy for power, foolishly ordered Indonesian Communist Party (PKI) to overthrow Indonesian govt in 1965, leading to a counter-revolution from our superior people and military which caused the complete destruction of communism in Indonesia.

Naturally, after we liquidate the communist traitors and leave the communist bloc, Indonesia no longer had any interest in "Confrontation" which was a communist pet project. Hence, we ended this irrelevant project in Jakarta Treaty of 1966 with Malaysia.

Had the PKI not launched its coup attempt in Jakarta in 1965, it is guaranteed Indonesia would've continued its confrontation against Malaysia. By 1966, Indonesian soldiers have gloriously killed around 250 British, Gurkha, Malaysian, Singaporean, Australian, New Zealander, and other Commonwealth soldiers.

Our glorious laurels from this period includes wiping-out two British SAS patrols, events celebrated by our soldiers by cutting-off ears of the dead SAS as souvenirs.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Friday, 14 July 2006 4:03:47 AM
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PTBI has confirmed for me that he is either not at all serious, or he needs to be put into some lunatic asylum for the rest of his days.
Posted by PJT, Friday, 14 July 2006 2:58:39 PM
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"Kuman di seberang lautan kelihatan, gajah di pelupuk mata dilupakan."
"While someone is busy with oversea bacterias, he forget the elephant next to his eyes".

The old saying describe well the attitude of Australians towards Indonesians. Until Australia gained significant positive reputation on their own aboriginal issues, overcritisizing behaviours of their people will only establish a culture of eternal hypocrisy upon the long history of a genocidict society.

While the media spot their selected events to get their papers sold, human problem is often rooted on simple phenomenons. Let observe the word 'indigenous', which is used by Whitese to call native inhabitants.

The dictionary.com said,"adj : originating where it is found; "the autochthonal fauna of Australia includes the kangaroo"; "autochthonous rocks and people and folktales"; "endemic folkways"; "the Ainu are indigenous to the northernmost islands of Japan" [syn: autochthonal, autochthonic, autochthonous, endemic]"

It is not easy for the Whitese to get cured from their racism, especially the one under their subconsciousness, while the concept indeed had been deeply carved in their language. Today, I doubt the majority of Australia do not regard their pasific neighbours as a kind of autocthonal faunas surrounded by precious natural resources. The history alone has unveiled what happened to the 'indigenous' East Timorese in the hand of their 'nature conservator' which is also their 'nature exploitator'.

While human rights violations do appear on West Papua, one cant deny it is a conflict between a soverign government and the separatist, in which violations constituted by both groups, much similar with the situation in the similar conflicts.

In the midst the ongoing conflict, it is Indonesians who always call the native inhabitants of an Island in a spiritual expression 'Putra Daerah', or the Sons of the Region. Such expression is far far away from stereotypical scientific 'indegenous', only appropriate to be used by unhuman archeologist and biologist.

Until 'human rights movement' reached these burried archetypes in the archeology of western minds, such social diseases is unrecoverable.

It is not suprising today pasific people more deserve to celebrate daily what so called - happiness, as the report said.
Posted by Jelata, Friday, 14 July 2006 5:50:30 PM
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We are well aware that there is a separatist movement going on in West Papua. I personally couldn't give a flying fig whether or not West Papua stay within Indonesia or not. That's up to the current citizens whether or not to break away from Indonesia. What is with Indonesians and their apparent sociopathic thinking towards Westerners. If you guys hate us so much, then Indonesia should give up all the things that Western society has within their boundaries -- including all the good and bad -- and just go back to an agrarian society before the "Westerners" ever set foot on the archipelago. Normally, Jelata, I find Indonesians to be quite decent people. But, you seem to be giving them a bad reputation. Are you really a racist Indonesia trying to stir up controversy, or are you a racist Australian trying to defame Indonesians to stir up controversy? Or maybe you just want to stir up controversy. Give yourself a bit of credibility by losing that absolutist mindset that you have that Australia is the epitome of all things bad in Western society, Jelata.
Posted by PJT, Friday, 14 July 2006 11:03:44 PM
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@Jelata:

You're absolutely correct, white Australians consider their non-white neighbours as some kind of exotic florae and faunae which by virtue of their skin-colour, are by default definately inferior to themselves. Their "human rights" chicanery is identical to their "whale rights" chicanery in which Australian media bashed the Japanese by portraying them as half-civilised blood-thirsty monsters eager to slaughter the innocent angelic whales. Little they realise how we Asians just have contempt and ridicule for the minor US stooge and weakling country Australia.

Ignore PJT's insults, Jelata. You have clearly struck a raw nerve by exposing this truth about Australia.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Saturday, 15 July 2006 2:42:30 PM
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PJT,
Why Sir? - after I get an image that many Australians ignorantly regard Indonesia as 'Javanese Empire', I could not point you a simple fact that calling people by 'indigenous' is considered racism?

Do you aware how much Javanese cultures and heritages had been sacrified for the sake of our national identity 'Indonesia' (that was in the mind of our leaders it would be a higher virtue)?

And answering your doubt, as a matter of fact, I'm a javanese.

Now what is Australia sir? Anglo-Aborigines kingdom?
How succesfull have you wipe the concept 'no black allowed' out your people's mind?
Do you dare to sacrifice just your language (as the Javanese had done) to achieve feeling of equality between you and the Aborigines?

How about East Timor sir, would they get free passport to enter Australian universities - in exchange of their oil or whatever?

Remember, when they were with us, there were seats in our colleges arranged just for them, without 'no black allowed' gymnasium. By the same concept we educate Papuan to gain self esteem and become decent 'activists', yet we feel no problem about the educations.

Now how many seats in your kindergartens you allocate to the Aborigines. Wouldn't by your concept of liberty they would be free to get depressed and drunken in your streets? When could they event dream about freedom?

Is alchohol your preemptive attack to any liberation movement among the Aborigines?
Posted by Jelata, Sunday, 16 July 2006 5:04:07 PM
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