I do not know of any Papuans or OPM representatives anywhere, or Papuan human rights supporters here in Australia, who hate the people of Jawa. What we do hate are the evil acts of rape and torture and theft and wanton destruction.

The distortions and hyperbole are not cultural, but are application of "new speak" used since WW-II by a criminal class to install a centralised colonial power. The Jakarta Lobby is not powered by the people, but by the gold of Papua and oil of Sumatra and Borneo; the Jakarta Lobby is the business empire of the TNI Generals and members of the "US Indonesia Society" (Bechtel, Exxon, Freeport McMoRan, Newmont, etc.).

To accept the good is VERY DIFFERENT to pretending the bad shall reform themselves.. To love the country does not need you to deny the corruption and human rights violations.

Mass murderers and rapist should not be put back onto the street or given yet another chance rule Papua and do their evil just because you wish to show you are not discriminating against them. I invite you to read the Papuan view on 'Special Autonomy' http://fandom.net/InfoKit/Src/demonstration.html and to review the documents listed at http://fandom.net

It would be good if this “Jakarta lobby” could be identified; perhaps it is a figment of a lot of febrile imaginations? Even some of the left stooges on OLO use the expression for anyone who has a view on Indonesia different from theirs. They, of course, simply parrot something one of their idols has said; but, as intelligent people also use the term (still without explanation), it would be good if these people could be exposed so that we all know whom we are talking about.

I don’t think Roger will be able to provide an answer as he writes that: “On the other hand, for many in the so-called “respectable” media and to some on the left, reaction to the case was proof of the ignorance and racism of ordinary Australians.” in relation to the Corby affair.

Is he serious? “Some on the LEFT” defending Indonesia?

Anyone who, as the author does, declares that Government backbench objection to its own Government’s and majority of its members intention to toughen up on illegal entrants, a “welcome victory”, doesn’t know left from right; never mind the fact that there has been no “victory”, that the matter has been held over.

Until this mysterious “Jakarta lobby” is exposed, nobody who uses the expression – usually in a derogatory manner - can be taken seriously

Indonesian people will always demand Australia mind their own business. Indonesian people will always resist and annihilate any attempt for Australian interference into our internal affairs to out last drop of blood and our last gasp of breath.

Indonesian people will always demand the govt to arrest every single foreign drug smugglers entering our soil and sentence them to the harshest penalty possible (if possible the death sentence). Currently, Indonesian people completely rejects plans to show some mercy to the thirty foreign drug smugglers currently in our death row.

There is nothing Australians can do to modify these iron will of the mighty Indonesian people.

"Mass murderers and rapist should not be put back onto the street or given chance to rule Papua and do their evil just because you wish to show you are not discriminating against them."

Indeed Hitlerite mass murderers and rapists like the barbaric Papuan separatist terrorists should not be allowed to "rule" Papua. In this you have nothing to worry, against the heroic Indonesian military and police fully backed by the might of Indonesian people, the buffonic Papuan separatists stood absolutely no chance.

Bravo PTBI - looks like you've taken another leaf out of the KCNA style manual. I just LOVE your Kim Il Sung-style hyperbole: "the last drop of blood and our last gasp of breath" "the iron will of the mighty Indonesian people", "the heroic Indonesian military and police fully backed by the might of Indonesian people" and the "buffoonic Papuan separatists". It just sounds like laughable rubbish from another era.

Let me tell you what I think of Indonesia...I think the best analogy is the USSR, another doomed multi-ethnic, multi-religous empire that functioned as a transitional state for six generations. In the case of the USSR, the communists inherited the Empire from the Tsarist regime and although it took 70 years, the Empire finally fell into its constituent pieces. The artificially constructed state of Indonesia is nothing more than the successor Empire to the Dutch East Indies - except here we have swapped a Dutch imperial elite for a Javanese one, both as illegitimate as the other. Indonesia's only raison d'etre is that it has taken the same territory as the Dutch East Indies and this is just not a sufficient basis for the foundation of a country.

As we can see now after the removal of a dictator, all kinds of pressures are building - ultranationalism, fundamentalist Islam, regional separatism, communal violence - the contradictions will not hold forever. The former Dutch East Indies has only been independent since 1949. I believe that given enough time, the multi-ethnic, multi-religious Javanese Empire will devolve just like the USSR. "Indonesia" as we know it is just a transitional entity and its future is by no means resolved. I think this is the reason that we hear the comical hyperbole from PTBI about the indivisble oneness, iron will, last drop of blood, mighty Indonesian people blah, blah. He is secretly worried that Indonesia will follow the once mighty USSR into the trash-can of history. He seems to be paranoid that Australia has some secret hand in all this, but in truth the contradictions are inbuilt - it's just a matter of time...

Onya PTBI (not)

And (sincerely) well said Leigh and Kvasir

While Corby is doing 20 years for smuggling pot into Bali where it is sold openly on the streets look at the Indonesian Empire's light treatment of the following joker.

Abu Bakar Bashir radical Indonesian Muslim, spiritual head of Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) - has links with al Qaeda. In a recent interview with The First Post he expressed sympathy for Osama bin Laden.

On April 14, 2003, he was formally charged by the Indonesian government with treason, immigration violations, and providing false documents and statements to the Indonesian police. The charges were mainly related to the Christmas Eve 2000 Indonesia terror attacks against Christian churches killing 18 people. In the Indonesian court, he was found not guilty for treason, but was found guilty on immigration charges. He was sentenced to three years in prison, reduced to 20 months.

On October 15, 2004, Bashir was arrested again and charged with involvement in a bomb attack on the Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, August 5, 2003, which killed 14 people. Secondary charges accused him of involvement in the 2002 Bali bombing, the first time he faced charges in relation to that attack.

On March 3, 2005, Bashir was found guilty of conspiracy over the 2002 attacks, but was found not guilty of the charges surrounding the 2003 bomb. He was sentenced to two and a half years imprisonment. He was also linked with bomb attack on the Buddhist monument Borobudur in 1985 but managed to escape trial by seeking asylum in Malaysia (this explains the immigration charges against him above). On 17 August 2005, Bashir's jail term was cut by 4 months and 15 days.

On 14 June 2006, to cheers from his supporters waiting outside, Abu Bakar Bashir was released, having served less than 26 months in Jakarta's Cipinang jail, where he held court and coordinated the publication of a commemorative book with his release.

Corby is rotting in jail, Bashir a terrorist leader got a micro sentence in a plush cell full of visitors.

No wonder Australians get resentful.

Pete
http://spyingbadthings.blogspot.com

Congratulations Roger on your timely article. All Corby supporters should unite to give a political voice to pressure Indonesia to accord her normal judicial rights. There are many reasons why she should not be in jail. You find many of these reasons at http://www.myaustralia.ws/saveschapelle . join us in her fight for justice.
Thanks
Nev

Just when I thought it was time again for me to post something usefull .... out trots the wa*k#r after w*K#r like our little javanese cretin with all his hyperbole of "we are right - you are wrong ... we are good - you are evil...."

But fortunately Kvasir was so right when he said .... "in truth the contradictions are inbuilt - it's just a matter of time...

Just wondering how long it will be before that brainless pit-bull cocky spaniel lap dog will savage you with invective on just how bad you treat all the Aboriginals and to get out of Australia....

Oh well down to the local supermarket to buy some bandages - and some disinfectant - who knows the teeh may well have borrowed from some Komodo Dragon this time

It is a fact Indonesia is the most corrupt country with some of the worst human rights abuse in the world. It is a fact the police and judiciary work together for extortion money and jail innocent foreigners (I am not saying SC is innocent - I would just say the police investigation and trial were both so seriously flawed that in any respectable responsible country the thing would never have gone to trial and if it did as it did, the judgment would be overturned). As for ML, I think Australians should be proud of her and look at John Howard to vent their XXX inspired rages; after all he has sold out on Australian principles, decency and legal obligations IMHO.

Indonesia was born from hate against the west; Sukarno was an axis leader after all and his only claim to West Papua is that it was a Dutch colony. Even their armed forces are internationally known as a repressionist force, not a military one (they have lost every true military battle they have ever been involved in). The state of Indonesia may likely even be illegal as territories (islands) outside Java and Sumatra were separate before Dutch rule and it was the anti-colonial US government (with puppets Britain’s help of course) that pushed the UN into railroading both the formation of Indonesia to include islands like Bali, when they should not, and also convinced (blackmailed) the Dutch into passing control of West Papua to Jakarta (in exchange for Jakarta's promise to hold a free and fair referendum there, which they reneged on). If you love Indonesia / Indonesians (not those with the hate in their hearts), help them to make change, help yourselves to avoid the hate that exists from the top down, don't just boycott Indonesia, boycott anything and everything Indonesian including Freeport, Rio Tinto, BP and BHP-Billiton.

Stop supporting Indonesia through blind ignorance, self-interest and John Howard’s games. Wake up Australia; if it were not for the Papuans, the Japanese would have landed on your soil. Is this how you reward your friends?

www.balibs.org

@Kvasir:

"Let me tell you what I think of Indonesia"

LOL, just a reminder a clown is not supposed to think.

Indeed Indonesia is much superior than USSR, comparing a mighty and pure Pancasilaist country like Indonesia to a failed communist state USSR is hilarious. USSR is based on failed system communism, while Indonesia is the only country in the world which annihilated Soviet and Chinese-backed communists to its roots in 1965, another addition to our glorious laurels. USSR is based on an inferior federal system which promoted ethnic-distinction and hatred, while Indonesia is a much superior Pancasilaist unitary state fully supported by the people.

No wonder, Indonesia successfully modified her system of democratic government six times since independence without much problems (the last modification is in 1998). This is because Indonesia is a purely-conceived nation formed according to the will of its people.

"He seems to be paranoid that Australia has some secret hand in all this"

LOL, mighty Indonesia has nothing to fear from Australia as a lion has nothing to fear from a swine.

@plantagenet:

"While Corby is doing 20 years for smuggling pot into Bali where it is sold openly on the streets"

Interesting statement, I think you confuse the "streets of Bali" with "the streets of Sydney". I challenge you to sell pot openly in the streets of Bali. I hope you'll enjoy Balinese jail accommodation courtesy of Indonesian Ministry of Justice and Human Rights.

BTW, Indonesia is a country of law (rechtstaat) not a country of power (machtstaat). We cannot put people to jail without evidence or just because of some minor neighbour's mood swings.

@ Nev@sk & Bali BS:

LOL, you druggies may rant and rave your mind out, but we don't care. Corby the drug smuggler will stay in jail. Deal with it :-)

I personally disagree with Corby's sentence which is too soft. She actually had it easy thanks to her crybaby attitude, had Corby been one of the many African drug dealers trying to smuggle narcotics to our country, it is guaranteed she'll receive the death sentence.

I am for Indonesia to implement a mandatory death sentence for all drug smugglers as practised by neighbour Singapore.

PTBI, you say a clown isn't supposed to think...well, why do you attempt to think? You don't do a very good job of it.

Everybody knows that the USSR was a fake federation - but in practice was the most extreme example of a unitary state you'll ever see. It promoted Russian supremacy, just like the Javanese supremacy in the Former Dutch East Indies today.

Your ravings about the glorious laurels of the mighty, pure, superior pancasilaist state sounds like insane fascism. Pancasila is nothing more than a few feeble bromides cobbled together - not to mention discriminatory against polytheists like Balinese Hindus or Chinese. It is just as feeble and fake as Bahasa Indonesia, a mere traders' pidgin or patois that has been laughably elevated to national langugage status.

This imperialist entity is also guilty of attempted genocide - the vicious tinpot military dictator Suharto was the mastermind of the 1965 slaughter of millions of Chinese residing in the Former Dutch East Indies, purportedly to eradicate the Communist Party of Indonesia. Even in May 1998 there was a vicious anti-Chinese pogrom in Jakarta. I look forward to the day soon when China has the military muscle and will to "deal" with Indonesia when it tries to persecute Chinese again.

Oi,

Finally, oz is getting the sh*ts with the Indo's.

PTBI,

saudara ibu makan saya

All the rest, they don't like us, we don't like them.

We took their oil/gas (ha/ha)

But, we gave them $1B for a wave sent by god

Howzabouts next time we give them nuthin, they outnumber us 10 to 1, but their boats don't float so good, so don't expect em to invade.

Inshallah

2 bob

To the tune of white man can't jump: 'Don't you know that ragheds can't swim, ragheds can't swim.'

@Kvasir:

LOL, what a hilarious boy. Yet again you try to make clownish jokes about Indonesia in order to cover-up your insecurity over the fact that your "country" Australia is nothing but an illegally-established colony inhabited by descendents of criminals who've brutally committed genocide against Aborigines and have squatted in stolen land eversince.

"Everybody knows that the USSR was a fake federation"
LOL, dear lad, I suggest you read the constitution of USSR which clearly separate the country into smaller federal states based on ethnicity and religion, each with right to secede from USSR. This constitutional right of secession was exercised in 1991, leading to the collapse of USSR.

The inferior USSR failed to survive even a tiny bit of reform ("perestroika") under Gorbachev, meanwhile Indonesia always stand mighty through six periods of major reforms since independence due to our superior unitary state system.

"1965 slaughter of millions of Chinese"
LOL, the 1965 anti-communist purification campaign has nothing to do with ethnic-Chinese, as Indonesian Communist Party (PKI) had rule banning ethnic-Chinese members. Almost all of the anti-communist purge victims were native Indonesians, killed by majority Indonesian people whose iron will was to annihilate communism to its roots after the commies treacherously tried to overthrow the govt under orders from Mao Zedong.

Suharto, being a benevolent humanist, actually send the army to stop the excesses of anti-communist violence by civilians, rescuing many commies from a certain death. Regulations restricting ethnic-Chinese was completely legitimate measure to prevent establishment of fifth-column by enemy country China. We were certainly much more humane than USA's internment of Japanese-Americans and confiscation of all their belongings during WWII .

"I look forward to the day soon when China has the military muscle"

So do Indonesia, currently China is helping us to develop long-range missiles capable of reaching Australia.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1408039/posts

@2bob:

LOL, methinks you're confusing Indonesians with Arabs who do wear the "kaffiyeh" as traditional head garment. Most likely due to lack of education.

Don't worry about us peaceful and friendly Indonesians invading you, you should be worried with "ragheads" currently swarming your 'hoods, raping your women and beating-up your lifeguards for fun.

PTBI,

nah mate, simply looking to appeal to the lowest common denominator in this country - hatred of muslims & humour.

That is really the problem here, one really can't get a good 'jihad' going, unless you get lots of alcohol and a really good motto. Not the problem in Indonesia is it? Really hard to get sufficient information to the unwashed to prevent one?

We respect your laws, except where the refusal to hold an admitted leader of a declared terrorist organisation, involved in an attack on our own is involved. I personally make no secret of my support for the papuan independence protestors (who are being killed in secret). I hope PNG continues to supply them with arms from us, to the point that it joins timor leste as an Australian protectorate - probably quite soon - have Aussies found oil there yet?

Yeah, we are so slow - noticed that if its worth having we take it?

Inshallah

2 bob

To Mr Proud to be an Indonesian.

With East Timor now looking to become an economic black hole in perpetuity for the Australian people, I don't suppose I could talk you Indonesians into taking the wretched place back?

Also, invading PNG would save Aussie taxpayers an additional $500 million dollars a year. You can have that place too with my personal blessings.

@2bob:

LOL, don't ask me about "jihad" for I am not a Muslim.

"I hope PNG continues to supply them with arms from us"

LOL, I don't know Australians are still primitive enough to be manufacturing wooden spears and bows-and-arrows. BTW don't worry about PNG, their western provinces is basically under control of Indonesian logging companies, while their PM and the commander of whatever is left of their "armed forces" are under Indonesian payroll.

@redneck:

I'm sorry to say, but Indonesia is pleased to have its East Timorese subsidy burdens shifted to the shoulders of Australian govt at the expense of its taxpayers

Proud to be Javanese (sorry "Indonesian" ;-)

Thankyou for:

"So do Indonesia, currently China is helping us to develop long-range missiles capable of reaching Australia.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1408039/posts "
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Saturday, 8 July 2006 9:56:14 PM"

Later reports on Chinese assistance to Indonesia regarding missiles only speaks of missiles of up to 150km range (see International Institute of Strategic Studies article of August 2005 at http://www.iiss.org/publications/strategic-comments/past-issues/volume-11---2005/volume-11-issue-6 )

Either:

A - you are misinformed, or

B - you've inadvertently revealed that Indonesia has plans to develop missiles that can hit Australia and (presumably) its Southeast Asian neighbours.

Please clarify.

You are proving most useful.

Pete
http://spyingbadthings.blogspot.com/

I wish PTBI would inform us as to what there possibly is to be "proud of" in being Indonesian. There simply is nothing. Is it the filthy congested cities, the grotesque corruption, the farcical judicial system, the increasing fundamentalism, the suicide bombings, terrorism, the poor hygiene, the undrinkable water, the slums, the army that is a law unto itself, the swaggering hypernationalism, the environmental destruction, the inability to respond adequately to natural disasters, the endless excuse-making and scapegoating, the anti-Chinese pogroms?

This pitiable country needs to take a leaf from Japan's book and just knuckle down and fix all of these problems. Until these things change, Indonesia is not deserving of one bit of respect. Japan, South Korea and Indonesia were all starving and ravaged in 1950, and now look at them. Japan and South Korea have gone on to developed country status with leading edge technology whereas Indonesia has just circled the plughole for 56 years. Pathetic.

PTBI and his bosom-heaving ultranationalism is a perfect example of why Indonesia is such a permanent basketcase - he and his ilk are under the delusion that it is already perfect, so there is no honest self-examination and therefore no impetus to improve. PTBI should change his name to ATBI - Ashamed to be Indonesian.

@plantagenet:

Apology accepted though quite unneccessary, for I am not a Javanese.

As a wannabe "spy" you should know that some things are considered "secret". :-)

@Kvasir:

LOL, there are virtually unlimited source of pride emanating from the sacred land of Indonesia, one of them being the awesome upward trajectory the country has taken since independence in improving the lives of its mighty people. Starting from virtually zero after devastations of WWII and war of independence, Indonesia have increased literacy from 5% to awesome 95% of the population, increased life expectancy from lowly 30 to high 70, multiplied the people's wealth by more than 15 times, while today there are around 25 million "rich" Indonesians with disposible income of more than US$ 30,000.

It is clear taking into account the fact that Indonesia accomplished all this by itself (unlike South Korea and Japan who received aid from USA), has 250 million extremely heteregenous population spread over 18,000 islands stretching the distance between Ireland and Iran (unlike South Korea and Japan), Indonesia is the BEST COUNTRY in the world in improving the lives of its people.

No wonder, these accomplishments have brought Indonesia into the pinnacle of international respectability, with ceaseless praise coming from international agencies. Politically, every country from USA to UK to China to Russia all wants more relationship with Indonesia and our military, as proclaimed by President Bush and PM Blair during their visits. Indonesia have been elected by 165 countries into UN Human Rights Council. Australian PM Howard has visited Indonesia 15 times over the past 10 years to pay "homage" to our presidents.

As-for-what-an-Ozzie-clown-thinks,-LOL-,-who-cares? As-I've-said-before,-nobody-cares-what-a-clown-thinks.

"there is no honest self-examination and therefore no impetus to improve"

By-contrast,-Indonesia-is-the-most-reformable-country-in-the-world,-with-six-major-period-of-improvement-bringing-reforms-dating-from-independence. It-is-clear-the-superior-Indonesian-people-and-govt-has-the-highest-sense-of-self-examination-and-possess-the-highest-eagerness-for-improvement-amongst-peoples-of-the-world.

An awesome example of the gallant Indonesian people's benevolence:

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/003200606260312.htm
INDONESIAN VOLUNTEERS BEING DEPLOYED TO HELP THE NEEDY IN POVERTY-STRICKEN GLASGOW-SCOTLAND

LOL - But Indonesia is still a basketcase after all these so-called "achievements"!! PTBI-Clown I find your pride just fascinating; to be so proud of something that is such total garbage. As for US foreign aid, the notorious basketcases Egypt and Tanzania have soaked up greater amounts of US foreign aid and now have nothing to show for it. It's hard work and talent, South Korea and Japan have it - Indonesia, Egypt and Tanzania don't. Get over it.

The only interest Australia has in Indonesia is that it doesn't collapse and break up, disgorging millions of boat people who will wash up on our shores like rubbish after a storm. Other than that, Australia needs to totally ignore Indonesia and focus on our worthy friends in North East Asia.

It is heartening that many of my friends, even those who are progressives now say behind closed doors that Indonesia is scum and the less we have to do with it the better. When I lived in Japan, I took every chance to tell people what a horrible, dangerous country Indonesia is, how the people are so aggressive, prideful, lazy and unfriendly and how it's the worst neighbour a country could have in the world. I always recommended my friends change any vacation to friendly, safe Thailand.

The funny thing is Japanese don't even consider Indonesia part of their concept of Asia! Most Japanese I talked to considered "Asia" to be Mahayana Buddhist countries like themselves, and Thailand and Burma at a pinch with Theravada Buddhism. Islam is considered beyond the pale and puts a country in a different culture zone.

I was heartened when a Japanese friend came back from a business trip to Jakarta saying how exhausted he was when he got back, how the shops were boring, the streets dirty, the people dangerous, the food repetitive and unsophisticated, the traffic a nightmare, the workers lazy and useless, the corruption rife.He said his company was fed up with doing business in Indonesia and going to pack up and move to China. At least they'd get some work done.

@Kvasir:

"But Indonesia is still a basketcase"

LOL, it is clear that Indonesia, the world's 15th largest economy (much larger than Australia), far from being a "basketcase", is a completely self-sufficient nation depending only on its own ingenuities and the hardwork of its superior population. Not only that, benevolent Indonesia is currently aiding those less fortunate than us, such as the poor people of Scotland, the Palestinians, and the folks of Democratic Republic of the Congo.

"disgorging millions of boat people"

LOL, what a joke. Throughout history, not a single person of mighty Indonesian people ever has any interest in landing at the inferior wastelands of Australia. Indonesia's emigration rate is nearly zero, compared with the millions of Australians who abandoned their "country" for greener pastures. No wonder, Indonesia is the world's 23rd happiest country, while gloomy Oz stood at sad 139th place.
http://www.antara.co.id/en/seenws/?id=16104

"When I lived in Japan, I took every chance to tell people what a horrible, dangerous country Indonesia is"

LOL, after I annihilate all your nonsense, now you hilariously try to pit fellow Asian brothers against each other.

It is useless, boy. Currently, there are over 15,000 Japanese nationals living in Indonesia, making us home to the largest Japanese community in Asia. Indonesia is also receipient of more than $ 11 billions-worth of Japanese investments which is expected to double in coming five years.
http://www.bilaterals.org/article.php3?id_article=2939

And yes, Japan considers us as their Asian brothers, in fact that's why they helped liberate us from the evil Dutch during WWII, to cleanse Asia from the contamination of white parasites.

"the food repetitive and unsophisticated"

LOL, funny statement from a people who enjoy eating dog food such as meatpie and sausage rolls.

"change any vacation to friendly, safe Thailand."

LOL, indeed Thais love Aussies so much they enjoy blowing-up the head of an Aussie nurse-tourist just for fun. So funny how nobody put any value on Aussie lives.

Proud to be JI

You're a credit to the Indonesian Diplomatic Corps mate.

As no other Indonesians are speaking up I assume you speak for all Indonesians ;-)

Keep it up. You are nothing if not amusing.

Pete

PTBI-boy, Indonesia and its people are still rubbish - and no, Japanese do not consider you kin in any way. And neither they should. It was so funny to see that loathsome, pathetic Mahathir (another member of the vain Malay race with supremacist delusions) on his regular trips to Japan haranguing Japanese for being "too Westernised". He was received politely but they thought he was a nutcase. Listen here PTBI-boy, most Australians I know will hate Indonesia and Malaysia forever (except the oppressed Chinese there), but we love Japan, Korea and our other civilised neighbours.

I wish every misfortune on Indonesia and Malaysia. Thank God south-eastern Australia has all that ocean and desert to separate us from these despiccable, fascistic, vain, uncultured peasants.

@plantegenet:

It is all for good fun!

@Kvasir:

LOL, as I said, nobody cares what some Aussie clowns think, as everybody value your thoughts less than a handful of rubbish.

"Japanese do not consider you kin in any way"

LOL, of course they consider us as kin, our first president Sukarno even had a Japanese wife, Dewi Sukarno aka Naoko Nemoto. Can you point-out any Australian PMs or governor-generals who have Japanese wifes?

"but we love Japan, Korea and our other civilised neighbours."

We also love Japanese and Korean soldiers who during World War II taught us how to behead and enslave Australian "Diggers" and other varieties of white parasites as a form of pest-control.

It still took millions of you East Indiamen 400 years to stop the handful of Dutch from operating in "your" islands. Pathetic weaklings you are. If you had any dignity or strength you would have stopped them in the first instance, like the Japanese did with the Spanish and Portuguese.

PTBI,

One word, 'CONFRONTASI', you LOST I believe, to us inferior Australians?

That has gotta hurt. (On several separate occassions I understand).

Is that why the army and kopassus ran away when the Aust. Army arrived in Timor? Sick of getting their ass kicked by a bunch of militia in the hills, run by a schoolteacher? couldn't stomach the concept of another confrontasi scenario?

Your country is nothing but a corrupt eyesore, with a judicial system that seems to take a perverse pleasure from ensuring that Indonesia is, and remains a safe hideout for declared terrorist organisations.

I do see why you are proud.

PS Sarcasm Sir, if you struggle to understand it, I suggest you get assistance, although I must point out, it is the lowest form of wit, and I rather hope that you are capable of so doing.

PPS If we are so miserable, and you are so strong, can we have our $1B back please?

Inshallah

2bob

@Kvasir:

LOL, indeed Indonesia has many glorious experiences in expelling the weakling Portuguese from our soil, such as the victorious assault on the Portuguese in Jayakarta in 1527 (present-day Jakarta) and the successful massacre on the Portuguese garrison in Ternate in 1572. These glorious laurels against weakling Portuguese will forever rest in the hearts of the proud people of Jakarta and Ternate.

The superior ethnic-groups of Indonesia, although disunited, always offered ceaseless warfare against the Dutch (Java War, Batak War, Bali Wars, Padri War, Palembang War, Aceh War, etc) that shed much Dutch blood and drain Dutch treasury, even until the end of their colonial rule, Dutch rule was limited at best in most parts of Indonesia. Once the peoples of Indonesia decided to unite in sacred Youth Pledge of 1928, within 17 years, Indonesia easily cleanse itself from the contamination of 500,000 white parasites living in our country. This common experience in extreminating white parasites will forever be a fond memory shared by all Indonesians.

THE HOLY UNITY OF INDONESIA will forever be etched in stone in the minds of Indonesian people as the key lesson behind our glorious experience during our holy war of independence.

@2bob:

LOL, let me help clarify some of your misunderstanding and hence help further your education, mate:

1)Your INTERFET troops in East Timor in 1999 were just tourists holidaying in the tropics. The accomodation and transportation needs of these Aussie tourists are arranged by the friendly Indonesian soldiers for three months before our departure according to our own timetable. During our departure ceremony, your own commander Cosgrove thanked us for making the vacation of Aussie soldiers in East Timor an enjoyable one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/purnomor/purnomor/UT0007469.jpg
INDONESIAN SOLDIER GIVING WARM WELCOME TO AUSSIE TOURIST IN DILI, 1999

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/purnomor/purnomor/UT0007414.jpg
INDONESIAN SOLDIERS DRIVE AUSSIE TOURIST IN SIGHT-SEEING TOUR OF DILI, 1999

2)During the Confrontation, Australia was merely an insignificant stooge of Britain, accounting for less than 10% of total force faced by Indonesia. Most of Indonesia's opponents then were British soldiers, British SAS and Gurkhas. I guess the Brits considered Australian troops to be too inferior to face the superior skills of Indonesian soldiers.

3)Indonesia never "lose" the Confrontation, which was a policy we took to help the Malaysian Chinese communist rebels when Indonesia was aligning itself with China and the communist bloc. However, the Chinese communist state, greedy for power, foolishly ordered Indonesian Communist Party (PKI) to overthrow Indonesian govt in 1965, leading to a counter-revolution from our superior people and military which caused the complete destruction of communism in Indonesia.

Naturally, after we liquidate the communist traitors and leave the communist bloc, Indonesia no longer had any interest in "Confrontation" which was a communist pet project. Hence, we ended this irrelevant project in Jakarta Treaty of 1966 with Malaysia.

Had the PKI not launched its coup attempt in Jakarta in 1965, it is guaranteed Indonesia would've continued its confrontation against Malaysia. By 1966, Indonesian soldiers have gloriously killed around 250 British, Gurkha, Malaysian, Singaporean, Australian, New Zealander, and other Commonwealth soldiers.

Our glorious laurels from this period includes wiping-out two British SAS patrols, events celebrated by our soldiers by cutting-off ears of the dead SAS as souvenirs.

PTBI has confirmed for me that he is either not at all serious, or he needs to be put into some lunatic asylum for the rest of his days.

"Kuman di seberang lautan kelihatan, gajah di pelupuk mata dilupakan."
"While someone is busy with oversea bacterias, he forget the elephant next to his eyes".

The old saying describe well the attitude of Australians towards Indonesians. Until Australia gained significant positive reputation on their own aboriginal issues, overcritisizing behaviours of their people will only establish a culture of eternal hypocrisy upon the long history of a genocidict society.

While the media spot their selected events to get their papers sold, human problem is often rooted on simple phenomenons. Let observe the word 'indigenous', which is used by Whitese to call native inhabitants.

The dictionary.com said,"adj : originating where it is found; "the autochthonal fauna of Australia includes the kangaroo"; "autochthonous rocks and people and folktales"; "endemic folkways"; "the Ainu are indigenous to the northernmost islands of Japan" [syn: autochthonal, autochthonic, autochthonous, endemic]"

It is not easy for the Whitese to get cured from their racism, especially the one under their subconsciousness, while the concept indeed had been deeply carved in their language. Today, I doubt the majority of Australia do not regard their pasific neighbours as a kind of autocthonal faunas surrounded by precious natural resources. The history alone has unveiled what happened to the 'indigenous' East Timorese in the hand of their 'nature conservator' which is also their 'nature exploitator'.

While human rights violations do appear on West Papua, one cant deny it is a conflict between a soverign government and the separatist, in which violations constituted by both groups, much similar with the situation in the similar conflicts.

In the midst the ongoing conflict, it is Indonesians who always call the native inhabitants of an Island in a spiritual expression 'Putra Daerah', or the Sons of the Region. Such expression is far far away from stereotypical scientific 'indegenous', only appropriate to be used by unhuman archeologist and biologist.

Until 'human rights movement' reached these burried archetypes in the archeology of western minds, such social diseases is unrecoverable.

It is not suprising today pasific people more deserve to celebrate daily what so called - happiness, as the report said.

We are well aware that there is a separatist movement going on in West Papua. I personally couldn't give a flying fig whether or not West Papua stay within Indonesia or not. That's up to the current citizens whether or not to break away from Indonesia. What is with Indonesians and their apparent sociopathic thinking towards Westerners. If you guys hate us so much, then Indonesia should give up all the things that Western society has within their boundaries -- including all the good and bad -- and just go back to an agrarian society before the "Westerners" ever set foot on the archipelago. Normally, Jelata, I find Indonesians to be quite decent people. But, you seem to be giving them a bad reputation. Are you really a racist Indonesia trying to stir up controversy, or are you a racist Australian trying to defame Indonesians to stir up controversy? Or maybe you just want to stir up controversy. Give yourself a bit of credibility by losing that absolutist mindset that you have that Australia is the epitome of all things bad in Western society, Jelata.

@Jelata:

You're absolutely correct, white Australians consider their non-white neighbours as some kind of exotic florae and faunae which by virtue of their skin-colour, are by default definately inferior to themselves. Their "human rights" chicanery is identical to their "whale rights" chicanery in which Australian media bashed the Japanese by portraying them as half-civilised blood-thirsty monsters eager to slaughter the innocent angelic whales. Little they realise how we Asians just have contempt and ridicule for the minor US stooge and weakling country Australia.

Ignore PJT's insults, Jelata. You have clearly struck a raw nerve by exposing this truth about Australia.

PJT,
Why Sir? - after I get an image that many Australians ignorantly regard Indonesia as 'Javanese Empire', I could not point you a simple fact that calling people by 'indigenous' is considered racism?

Do you aware how much Javanese cultures and heritages had been sacrified for the sake of our national identity 'Indonesia' (that was in the mind of our leaders it would be a higher virtue)?

And answering your doubt, as a matter of fact, I'm a javanese.

Now what is Australia sir? Anglo-Aborigines kingdom?
How succesfull have you wipe the concept 'no black allowed' out your people's mind?
Do you dare to sacrifice just your language (as the Javanese had done) to achieve feeling of equality between you and the Aborigines?

How about East Timor sir, would they get free passport to enter Australian universities - in exchange of their oil or whatever?

Remember, when they were with us, there were seats in our colleges arranged just for them, without 'no black allowed' gymnasium. By the same concept we educate Papuan to gain self esteem and become decent 'activists', yet we feel no problem about the educations.

Now how many seats in your kindergartens you allocate to the Aborigines. Wouldn't by your concept of liberty they would be free to get depressed and drunken in your streets? When could they event dream about freedom?

Is alchohol your preemptive attack to any liberation movement among the Aborigines?