Strewth
Talk about "remove your jackboot from the necks of people"
Your style of discussion has all the subtlety of a SS interrogation session.

"Show chapter and verse, as opposed to mere assertion, in just what ways they are better off than non-Palestinian Arabs"
What crap! -Use your eyes -or probably in your case more appropriately, your echolocation organ.
Let me paint a picture of life in “free" Palestine":
-Something happens they don't like, big brother blows a whistle, and then they’re all out frothing at the mouth and shrieking in the streets-fathers mothers sons & daughters -like automatons.
-Someone is accused of "collaborating" -they are shot in the street.
-Someone sells land to an Israeli -they are shot in the street.
(The Palestinian Penal Code applying in the West Bank enables imposition of the death penalty on a person who was convicted of committing any of seventeen offenses, while in the Gaza Strip; fifteen offenses warrant the death penalty.)
For a bit of fun on a Saturday night they may decide to blow-up an Israeli school or hospital, and when they are not doing that, they are blowing up each other.

No wonder they’re yearning to return to Israeli occupied lands.
It’s not the land they really want but Israel’s good governance.

It's a pity Strewth you'll never get a chance to live next to them. You might not find their antics so endearing.

Strewth last time we had talks on this issue I thought I put you back on the straight and narrow- now you’ve gone and reverted to your wild form again!

OK, Mr Strewth, you have not given me much to work with, with your latest rant, but I will see what I can do.

Your first attribution error is that I am not Jewish. Just a North European Prot who for thirty years has watched the Israelis defend themselves against repeated attacks by Arabs, who just will not let them live in peace.

You then claimed that I am “reinventing Hitler”. That could imply any of a dozen different scenarios. Could you be specific, instead of general? If you make your statements specific, I can attack the logic and nail you to the wall. Making declaration in a general way (talking in riddles) is the coward’s way of debating. It means that if I attack your premise, you just come back and say “ No! That’s not what I meant.”

“If “exclusive ethnic tribalism” is “not the way”, then I find your logic curious. There are probably more wars going on at this very moment than at any other time in human history. Almost all of these wars are race wars over territory. It is self evident that all of the waring factions on this planet do not agree with you. The only countries which have embraced “Multiculturalism” are those societies that are prosperous enough to afford to pay for it’s concomitant problems.

Finally, you demand that Israelis “remove their jackboots from the necks of people whose only crime is to be born in the land you arrogantly claim is yours.”

Why?

So that Arab Muslims can stick their jackboots on the necks of people who’s only crime is to be born in the land you arrogantly claim is yours?

Why is it logic never seems to be able to answer questions put to him without s.o. else rudely butting in? As for bovver boots Horus, if the jackboot fits, wear it! God, you're a goose. I said "non-Palestinian Arabs." So why're you banging on about...Palestinian Arabs? Still, your little caricature of that fragment of Palestine under the Israeli Jackboot (aka Occupation) which you quaintly describe as "free" is a hoot. Pure projection. More please! "Living next to them"? Diddums, but then you're special, aren't you? And Horus, if you represent "the straight and narrow" (as in narrow-minded?), I'll take the other. Now kindly allow logic to answer his own questions. So rude, your butting in.

Red, red: You're a Prot, eh? And you get your jollies watching one of the world's most powerful armies courageously lord it over the Palestinians? Sick stuff, red. I detect a weapons freak. Bet you love the Yanks strutting their stuff in Iraq too. All that shock and awe back in 2003 must've been positively orgasmic for you. Nazis? An admirer? The Romans? The Crusaders? Blood and guts - as long as it's someone else's? "Race wars"? I can see you salivating at the prospect. A Prot, or a Prat?

To Mr Strewth.

No, as a matter of fact, I opposed the war in Iraq.

Saddam was estimated to have murdered over a million Muslims during his tenure as President for Life, and personaly, I could not give a damn how many mass graves full of Iraqi's, Iranians, Kuwaitis and Kurds he filled up.

I also don;t think that the USA should get involved with saving fruitcake nations from themselves. Too many Good Guys get killed, and the people that the yanks liberate never have any gratitude, either. Look at France. Personally, I hope the Deutchies start polishing up their panzers again and start dreaming about how wunterbar it was to have France part of the Vaterland. I am sure nobody in the English speaking world will bother helping the Frogs again.

Nah, Strewthie, some countries are just not worth saving. I am personally looking forward to the next famine in Somalia. I doupt after the last time when the UN forces were mass murdered by the very people who's worthless lives they had come to save, they will bother doing it again. The yanks sure as hell won't lead the way. With a bit of luck, AIDS might do as good a job on the Arabs as it is doing on the Africans.

Red, Just a few questions:

a)You described yourself earlier as a racist. How is it that Jews seem to have escaped your racism?
b)This business about Arabs "not leaving Israel in peace" is interesting. Might it have something to do with Israel's taking their land and turning them into refugees, do you think?
c)What would be your response to someone who came to evict you from your home because they were under the illusion that they had a God-given right to it?

@ Keith

"You, you Christian, want to disposses them even further"....

In short YES !

I want to disposess them and then place them in countries where they can forget about the 'lost land' just as I have forgotten about the land my ancestors on dads side were dispossessed from in Scotland, and now I look around and see how my life is 'not all that shabby'. Yes, it can take a couple of generations to build things up again, but gee, isnt it better to do that and have peace, rather than rockets zooming down on you every week or so ?

Sometimes you have to be 'cruel' to be kind. So its not really cruelty.

I feel that to address every 'lost land' issue would consume the worlds lawyers 10 times over, and it's just unworkable.

Always resolves to 'how far do we go back' ? Surely you can see this ?

Then there is the problem of governments who don't want such, which would result in either patchwork justice or more war.

KEY ISSUE

The 'plan' which Hamas 'implicitly' agreed to concerning recognition of Israels right to exist, INCLUDED "East Jerusalem as capital" and that.. my friend is the key to the future of the world, not just the conflict there.

Status of the Temple mount/Dome of the Rock is the.. repeat THE...key issue in all of this. It is more important to Jews than Muslims.

It is the 3rd most holy place for Muslims
It is the FIRST most holy place for Jews. (i.e. the religious ones)

Do the math :)

P.S. for further information about Abraham, Isaac (father of Jews) and Ishmael (father of Arabs) please read Genesis chapter 12 to the end.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=12&version=31
will take you straight to it. Understand that, and you will understand the whole conflict.