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Gaza beach - when politics trumps human rights : Comments

By Gerald Steinberg, published 23/6/2006

NGOs have the power to influence public opinion and their credibility rarely gets questioned.

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From the poor quality of your submissions, Mr Strewth, I gather that you may have left it a bit too late for me to do any good.
Posted by redneck, Tuesday, 27 June 2006 5:12:18 AM
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ISRAELI SOLDIER KIDNAPPED

*Banu Qurayza Jewish tribe in Arabia (Victims of Islamic genocide)
*Mecca (invaded, a hit list of people executed by Mohamed)
*Dumar,City in Northern Arabia (Brother of Christian Prince murdered in cold blood, Prince Ukaydir offered 'Islam or death')
*2006 Islamic terrorists from Gaza break treaty, kidnap Israeli soldier.

Mecca was invaded because the Treaty of Hudabaya had been broken.

This treaty was a 'peace/non aggression' treaty between Mohamed's terrorist band, and the established citizens of Mecca.

Mohammed claimed it had been broken because some obscure tribe allied with the Meccans had raided some group allied with Mohammed.

ON THIS BASIS (all of the above) i.e. the EXAMPLE of Mohamed, founder of Islamo terrorism ISRAEL can do the following:

1/ Claim all treaties are null and void regarding the status of land and the disposition of the parties.

2/ Invade Gaza

3/ Execute all the males

4/ Enslave all the females and children

OR

1/ Execute a 'list' of the main offenders. (Hamas leaders at top of list)
2/ Allow the rest to remain on the land, but taking a 50% tax from each person. (as was done by Mohamed to the Jews of Khaibar)
3/ Offer Judaism to all citizens. Those who abandon Islam and accept Judaism are safe, the rest are exiled or executed.

Before anyone jumps down my throat, just remember one thing. I've stated nothing more than was done in the name of Islam by Mohammed, its terrorist founder. I suggest instead of attacking me, go and proclaim these facts at the nearest mosque and ask them why they follow such a man.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 27 June 2006 9:08:29 AM
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So, redneck, if it's too late for me, maybe it's not for others: wow them with one of your QUALITY submissions. Having derided mine, it'd br churlish of you not to lead by example. And Bamboozled's latest descent into foaming madness & lunatic incoherence might just be the place to begin. How about a quality submission on one of his two topics? After all, he's on your side.

In the meantime, and on topic, Chris McGreal's 'Who really killed girl's family on Gaza beach', Guardian Weekly, 23/6/06 makes a compelling read.
Posted by Strewth, Tuesday, 27 June 2006 4:29:36 PM
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This is interesting :)

Strewth said:

“Bamboozled's latest descent into foaming madness & lunatic incoherence might just be the place to begin”

OUCH -gee that hurt Strewth :)

Given that pretty much all I said was based on Islamic history, are you therefore condemning Islam ?

From no lesser Authority than Stewthy’s favorite source the Jerusalem Post
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150885848200&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

“The Aksa Martyrs Brigades announced on Sunday that its members have succeeded in manufacturing CHEMICAL and BIOLOGICAL weapons. In a leaflet distributed in the Gaza Strip, the group, which belongs to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah Party, said the weapons were the result of a three-year effort.”

(There are many reports of this, not just the JP)

For a possible Israeli Action Plan and its moral/philosophical/historical underpinnings (especially the justification based on Mohamed’s example).. refer to my last post.

Madness and Lunacy would have to be the prime character traits of ill equipped, ranting, raving, hate filled, Muslim fanatics who seem to think Allah (?) will protect them from the wrath of the IDF, which has only held back from driving every last Palestinian man, woman and child from Gaza into the sea because of ‘Western Values” and the absence of such a threat as WMD in the hands of the Palestinian mob.

REMINDER from the Islamic Hadith about Jihad “Justification of killing women and children, during night raids, provided it is not deliberate”
Book 019, Number 4321:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/019.smt.html

The only thing more stupid than the Islamo/fascists themselves, is the dillbrains like Abbas who on the one hand condemn such actions as the kidnapping of the Israeli soldier, but on the other refuse to use force against the gun toting Palestinian loonies themselves.

PALESTINIAN DUNKIRK (but without the high moral ground)
In my opinion the international Arab/Islamic community should begin preparations for the mass exodus of Palestinians from Gaza, and their resettlement in various Islamic countries, with maximum quota’s per country, numbers per suburb/area and the threat of indefinite incarceration if they involve themselves in any terror/Palestine Liberation related activities. We don’t need/want them in the West.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 28 June 2006 7:12:23 AM
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You want me to “educate” you, Mr Strewth? Well, OK, but I should be charging you for this.

LESSON 1

BREAK UP YOUR POSTS.

Now, lets take your first submission on this topic, which was a total disaster, because it was a single paragraph. You have to break your posts down into two or three sentence paragraphs because.

1. It makes them easier to read.
2. It makes you come across as someone giving thoughtful, measured responses.
3. If you don’t break them up. You look like a loony who has let forth an uninterrupted tirade.

LESSON 2

BE POLITE TO YOUR OPPONENTS IF THEY ARE POLITE TO YOU.

Now let’s look at your second post where you reamed out Mr Logic. Mr Logic’s post was fair and reasonable, and most of his opponents would have conceded that he had some good points. But you came at him with a HOW DARE YOU STICK UP FOR THOSE UNSPEAKABLE ISRAELIS! I-WILL-RIP-YOUR-GUTS-OUT-FOR-THIS, kind of response. That was dumb, dumb, dumb.

If you want to help the Israelis, you are doing a great job. Because Mr Logic supports the Israelis, and he comes across as a nice and reasonable guy. But you come across as a total lunatic. And if you are an example of the sort of people who support the Palestinian terrorists, then any impartial observer would be more inclined to back the Israelis, purely upon the basis of a comparison of the type of people who support either side.

LESSON 3

KEEP THE PERSONAL ABUSE DOWN

Now insulting your opponent is alright, as a matter of fact it can be very entertaining to your readers. But the trick is to do it in a clever way. Your effort with David Boaz did not come up to scratch. You undoubtedly didn’t see it, but David left himself wide open to a free kick with his inappropriate metaphor.

Putting your opponent down cleverly takes a bit of wit. Since you do not seem to have any wit, my advice to you is to not try it at all.

OK, so far?
Posted by redneck, Wednesday, 28 June 2006 5:25:44 PM
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Gee, red, so much attention to lil ol ME? Could it be that you feel threatened by factual responses to your propagandist claptrap and that of your mates? Now, come on, Bamboozled is YOURS, when are you going to have the courage to own him and his gibberish? And when are you going to produce the kind of QUALITY submission that only YOU know how to do based on one of his (red) herrings?
Posted by Strewth, Wednesday, 28 June 2006 8:42:10 PM
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