Having now read the expose of the CFMEU and its disgraceful fraudulent tactics of 'forcing and orchestrating' a stoppage/wage deduction over the collection of funds for a dead worker during work time, and then seeing how they attempted to use this for gutter level political gain and BLAME the Employers for 'deducting wages' that they themselves (the Union) demanded occurr......

It becomes clear that no matter what happens in Gaza or elsewhere, it will be CONSTRUEDandSPUN as some Anti Israel morsel by the equally primitive PLO/HAMAS. Same 'gutter' political mindset of the CFMEU.

"Use (or create) any incident and spin it in your political favor"

How do I know this ?

HISTORY

A bit over a year or 2 back, there was a cease fire observed by all parties in the Israel/Palestine area. It was quiet for over 3 months....nothing.

THEN.....

Islamic Jihad blew up an Israeli bus.

THEN Israel attacked

THEN the cycle began again

THEN Islamic Jihad/Hamas etc all blamed Israel and said "We are just retaliating against Israeli Attacks"

C'mon Strewth... we might look dumb but thats just the way our parents dressed us.. we really can think.

Onya Logic and Horus.

Jeremy,

Please read and listen carefully: Hamas firing rockets at Israeli civilians is a criminal act. I am just saying that two wrongs don't make a right. Deliberate harm of any civilian is unhuman. Israel 'right to exist' is easy to recognise when you agree on a border definition with your neighbour (same as Egypt & Israel did).
I don't think Israel would have any recognition problems if they can agree among themselves where the Israeli borders is or should be with its neighbours (including the Palestinian state). I think the problem comes if your understanding of Israel's right to exist means a total replacement of Palestine and Palestinian identity.

All the best,

keith, your post seems a trifle confused: on the one hand you say you don't think the Israelis were responsible for the massacre on the Gaza beach, yet you acknowledge that HRW, whose investigator on the scene, Marc Garlasco, claimed an Israeli 155-mill shell was responsible, is "balanced."
Horus, as slippery as you on a previous post trying to backdown from your statement: " I agree that Gaza and the West Bank should be returned...I also think that a Palestinian State with East Jerusalem as its capital would be reasonable"(31/5/06)? Or as slippery as Bamboozled who can slide from the CFMEU to HAMAS to Abraham to Armageddon and back again all in the same post?
As for Steinberg's original piece attacking NGOs such as AI and HRW, I'm reminded of the words on the banner on the stern of the Japanese whaler: "Greenpeace Misleads You!"

Strewth

I only said in reference to HRW and AI '...often their reports do contain very balanced information.' I did not specifically refer to Mr Garlasco's report. I think his has been discredited.

Yep, East Jerusleum as the Palestinian Capital. Tear down those land grabbing Israeli settlements. Re-instate the pre '67 borders.

Let's turn Strewth's rhetoric around.

"If Strewth is not a Muslim apologist as he maintains, then, despite his living on this planet for xxx years and his ability to read, write, research and (presumably) think for himself, how does one explain his total lack of understanding of the planet's worst colonial running sore and his predilection for Muslim cliches?"

"Rhetoric", my dear Strewth, is simply airy declarations that lack any substance.

Rhetoric is not an argument.

redneck, educate me!