Wendy, I agree that it is just ridiculous and very close-minded the way the extreme animal liberalists are handling the situation. Often with extremists, they have tunnel vision.

I find it saddening that these groups have a lot of potential power to make positive changes for the animals, but that nothing positive happens because of their inflexible views and useless actions. I fully agree that these groups prevent progress in the right direction. These groups could be such an asset to animals and farmers if only…

Now, OK, if we just accept that the organisations of these groups are blind and not willing to open their eyes a bit wider, then there may not be any further use in discussing this with them at this moment.

But is there a way to possibly get through to the supporters of these groups and go around the organisation bodies? If the supporters can be made to see some sense, then they may be able to influence these animal rights groups' organisators.
I have no idea how, but someone else might know?

The whole pigfarm and Amanda Vanstone thing is sad but nevertheless is a good opportunity to make people aware and has grabbed some of the media’s attention.
Is there a way at all for your groups to use that media attention and play in on that so the media will direct some of that attention to present to the public and support the view of the Free Range Farmers in a campaign-kind of way?

Celivia.

Good Question.

The Answer is yes.

If the public realise what is happening its the animals best chance.

They should contact which every group they donate to and ask to see what programes are supporting Free Range Farmers.[in writing]

The are none.

Requested that the Minister Of Ag Federal and the State Government form a new Animal Welfare register.

They basically only meet with Animals Australia because then they can discredit all Animal Welfare minded people as a bunch of extream nutters.

No member of the public appointed these people to represent them by the way. There is no balance.

We really need meat eaters together form their own or to submitt to the many Animal Welfare submishions in their areas.

Encourage everybody to contact their local Department of DPI and ask to speak to the person in charge of Animal Welfare.

Get themselves put on their mailing list and make themselves known to them.


Start a FARMERS FRRE RANGE SUPPORT GROUP.

Its not going to be easy , many farmers are so upset about the attacks on them by extream groupsprotesting about people eating meat.


It was good to see Maralyin Shepard on this post.

Shes another capable lady.

All these people who have posted care about animals.

Thats a good start.

Start by contacting them and ask them to support farmers doing Free Range.

I beleive that public power can do anything.

If we stop giving money to groups and put it towards a good court case then we will help the animals.

At this stage all the public are doing is giving money that used to keep people in paid jobs,

That way little gets done for the animals.

Trust me I know and have been watching with utter discust for years.


So the key is more direct public contact to Government and supporting farmers that Free Range.

Thats a good start.

Yo yabby

Where are you? Come on mate we only want to run a few ideas by you that might make you wealthy and some of the other farmers.

You can always say no.

Look at it this way Yabby- if you have a farmer and a buyer thats all you need.
You grow sheep for the consumer-right.

Ok then if the consumer buys direct from the farmers then there is a lot more money than paying the middle man now isnt there.

You know Yabby Is was speaking with a goat farmer up here about three years ago.
He was telling us he got about ten twleve dollars per goat at that time.
At the same time thise goats were sold to the Muslims who I now have a MOU with.
They were paying around seventy two dollars for the same goat.

So the farmers get ripped off the muslims gets ripped off and the poor old goat is not having much fun either.

I know many people are actually scared of Elders but you know what Elders wont hassle the Muslims thats for sure.

I know the way they play but leave them to us.

Eventually we build our own ships[to carry red meat] as well as the stock markets.

Give it some thought Man.

Hope things are well for you down there and we would love to help you become a farmer exporter.
cheers Yabby

Thank you for that long post with the suggestions, Wendy.

Do you know if the facts about this big scale free range farming and PALE have been incorporated into the learning materials presented to students of agricultural schools throughout Australia?

New farmers and farmers-to-be should really know about this in detail. They might be more open to new ideas and ways of farming than the older and established farmers.

Wendy, I know you mean well, but I think you totally misunderstood
what I said in my last post on the subject, so there was no point
in persuing it.

I'll let you in on a little secret, I used to have an award winning
export company and it made money for lots of farmers and also for
me, it was a win-win all around. It was just not in the meat industry. I sold it a couple of years ago, as I wanted a break,
after 14 years of non stop work. Now I prefer farming as a lifestyle:)

Let me say it again :- There are no old plants to reopen in WA,
unlike the East. WA has a massive undercapacity in meatworks,
due to past political decisions. What the State needs is a couple
of large, new, efficient, labour efficient, greenfields operations,
to cope with millions of sheep. Have you ever suggested to your
Muslim friends to consider building such a plant in West Australia,
considering that we have by a long way, a large volume of Australia's
cheapest sheep for sale here.

Yabby

Ah there you are. I was wondering where you got to. I was starting to miss you.

You sound too young to retire. No, I didn`t misunderstand you.

I am stubborn not stupid. I think you would make a good WA adviser.

What do you say, ah?

One day here and there over a year.

Come on you know you will get bored, clearly you like a challenge.

As to your question, of course we have talked about it[building plants in WA]

They are waiting for me to introduce them to some farmers, property, locations.

Hence my interest in my new found mate> You.

I can`t do it without Aussie partners and operators.

Actually the AMIEU down there had calls from Muslims in the past from the Middle East apart from any of the ones I know.

If you have done all of that Yabby, you know about subs and add 600 million for Development in Regional areas, for jobs pluss overseas investment.?

Be interesting if the Government adopted it as a policy too.

BUT I must have some Aussie farmers and some people to run the places.
You understand that I know. MLA, CMA etc put all our funding into programes to support live exports "mainly".I am trying to get the Government to look at this as another programe.[Why Not Half public funding]

Good public relations with overseas.

I guess I will have to come , stay and advertsie because nobody will help me with the area.
The Animal lot abused me when I asked for some local advise calling me an animal killer and you can imagine the response from FF.
And you think you got it tough.

So Yabby might see you down there some time at the sales. Please let your your mates about>

www.halakindmeats.com

In the mean time dont forget the job offer.[smile]

Take it as a compliment . I have been bugging Kevin Sheill for ages.

He will be delighted I have my eye on somebody else I suspect.



Cheers Yabb