Peace – I am not living in a state of ‘government induced fear,’ nor am I in a coma. I am rightfully concerned with (1) the existence of Islamic terrorists operating in every western country, organized by people who hate us and wish to destroy our way of life and (2) the existence of home-grown Muslim terrorists in Australia. Both are undeniable facts, unless you believe that Muslims facing terrorism charges in London, New York, Sydney, Melbourne, Paris, Toronto, and many other places have all been set up by ‘racist’ police or the ever-present Evil Jews. I have no fear of terrorists arriving in leaky boats, but I do have a fear of Australia being swamped by ‘asylum seekers’ in the same way as Europe. Only our ocean borders prevent this from happening to Australia.

Dalma - ‘ psyshedelic drugs, deprivation of sleep, hypnotic trance, electric shock treatment, familial threats, water-torture …’ Its hard to know how to deal with people who hack off the heads of bound, helpless captives in front of cheering cohorts and record the event for posterity; how do you extract information from a person who believes that God directs him to slaughter those who do not share his religious beliefs? How far are you prepared to go in order to save innocent lives? The thought of torture is abhorrent, but do you have a better suggestion?

Re Hicks - all this personal sympathy for a man who joined a fanatical group that forced women into burkhas and ruled with the utmost cruelty. He should be brought up on concrete charges - but to feel sorry for him? Yechh!

Wendy, maybe it's a matter of making better use of this wonderful Internet that we are priveliged to take so much for granted.

For example, see here:

http://www.parasindonesia.com/read.php?gid=347

While it may not say everything you want to hear, note that it is measured, calm, intelligent and thoughtful. There are Indonesian websites where you can ask questions and make your feelings known.

Happily, there are few Indonesian-style Bolts, Ackermanns, Jones or Laws to spread creepy feelings about. That seems to be a peculiarity of Australian "journalism", although Baasyir seems to have caught the virus.

Far be it from me to defend Baasyir, the scourge of the TNI, "aspirational" army generals, the machinations of the Suharto family, the pillage of W Papua, or the fate of women under fundamentalist Sharia law.

But I feel in my bones that most Indonesians are like most Australians. We want a quiet life, doing no harm to others, food for the kids, a roof, the occasional little luxury when you're a bit down. It makes sense.

Here are some Indonesian newspapers, so we can all get a better feel for things. Might see you there (don't forget your summer clothes):

http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/indonesi.htm

In the meantime, on this Aussiest of Aussie sites, let's go on kicking arse Aussie style until this young Aussie bloke is released from the Guantanamo depot of Al-CIA-da (yes, they are a wholly owned subsidiary).

Cheers all. Chris
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Dee
Maybe all terrorists could be treated in the same way.
One definition of a suicide bomber is a man with a bomb who does not have a air force.
Those who attack other countries which are not attacking them are terrorists, they are creating terror and killing innocent people.

The FBI admit that they have no hard evidence to show that Osama or the Taliban were linked to the attack on the twin towers (there are now a lot of people in the US demanding a more open inquiry into the Sept. 11 attack)
There is no evidence that Iraq had any weapons of mass destruction and was a threat to the US, UK or Australia.
Both of these countries have been invaded and thousands of their people have been killed by the coalition of the willing.
There is little doubt that we now have far more people who hate us than before the invasions and the killing took place.

I am normally a peaceful person but if someone killed some of my family I am sure that I would grab any opportunity to pay back the killer, (even if they said the killing was an accident).

I don't think that we are hated for our way of life, I think we are hated because of the way we treat other people.
We really need a foreign policy when we have more friends on Friday afternoon than we had on Monday morning.

That was a nice post Chriss/ Thanks for the links. As for me I already work with muslims daily both here and overeas. see www.halakindmeats.com

Dee this is about Hicks , however uncle Bin just again took credit for the world trade center a few short weeks ago.

Your living in fairy land if you think to have peace in our own country we dont have to fight for it and protect ourselves. Thats the price of freedom.
The facts are the mulims [not all] with their extream ideas of killing all of the west until the last drop of western blood has been spilled, to quote them is todays real world.

Dream on Dee about who was reasponsible or that David Hicks is just a poor little thing who was in the wrong place.
He addmitted to going over to fight for Islam and so did his Australian father.
To be fair to his father he did say his som just liked fighting and war and guns but then he could have joined any army.
Ever thought of that.

I make no apoligies for having little time for someone who was plotting against his fellow country men

Shame on him and I am glad he was nabbed

@Peace:
“We really need a foreign policy when(where) we have more friends on Friday afternoon than we had on Monday morning”

However,in the real world we often need to make a stand on issues that are not popular.
-Remember our stand on East Timor –Not popular in Indonesia & the Moslem world.
-Remember our stand on Taiwan - Not popular with China
-Remember our concerns for Sudan’s black Africans-Not popular with much of the Arab world.

It is more important to consider the quality of the friendship/friends we are winning.
Some such as a near neighbour to our north are friendly when we give them aid, or introduce policies to their liking –but spit the dummy as soon as we say something out of order.-those sorts of friends we can do without.

Wendy,

I can't help but notice there are a lot of typos in your posts.

You may see the characters on keyboard better if you take off the white hood.

Why not spend just a few minutes to research some facts.